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Message 167 of 253 (662626)
05-17-2012 1:59 PM
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05-17-2012 1:49 PM


British Regal Throne
Another chance to help educate you.

Actually when the British Monarch is crowned they are then seated on King Edwards chair.

There much you can learn.

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title


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Message 168 of 253 (662628)
05-17-2012 2:07 PM
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Re: Isaiah 7
In the prophecy, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet said, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel." This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus in Matthew 1:22-23, " The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel' which means, 'God with us.'" This does not mean, however, that the Messiahs name would actually be Immanuel. There are many names given to Jesus using the phrase He shall be called, both in the Old and New Testaments. His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). None of these titles was Jesus actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever.
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Message 169 of 253 (662632)
05-17-2012 2:15 PM
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Re: Isaiah 7
Learn to read in context.

Stop just believing what folk tell you.

Here is that section in context:

quote:
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.


Note the parts that many preachers always leave out.

" For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings."

The child which will be born will be immediate, and during the lifetime of Azah.


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Message 170 of 253 (662636)
05-17-2012 2:26 PM
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Re: British Regal Throne
When one traces the roots of the Britons, Scots, Irish, Welsh, English (Anglos and Saxons), Picts, Normans, and Celts, there is substantial evidence that all of those peoples are of Israelite descent. The tribe of Joseph seems to be best represented, but there is evidence for the presence of several of the tribes. Volumes have been written on that subject.

The Stone of Scone-The Stone of Scone, which is also known as the Stoneof Destiny and has had an extraordinarily elevated place in Irish,Scottish, English, British, Jewish, Muslim History, is a 26 incheslong, 16 inches wide, and 11 inches high block of yellowishsandstone, weighing 152 Kg and carved with a Latin Cross on top.

http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/davids-throne-found-britain

http://www.asis.com/users/stag/stone.html


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Message 171 of 253 (662637)
05-17-2012 2:33 PM
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Re: British Regal Throne
Nothing in any of that has anything to do with the fact that the British Monarchs are seated on King Edwards chair during the coronation.

Volumes have been written about Merlin and Tom Sawyer as well.


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Message 172 of 253 (662638)
05-17-2012 2:35 PM
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Re: Isaiah 7
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

I dont know why it is immediate? Was not the Jews forsaken of thier kings at the time of Jesus's life? This is a prophecy of the rule of Christ and the birth of Christ. Christ has not ruled but will after the antichrist prepares for war against Israel. Then Jesus will return will the raptured to destroy the antichrist and his armies and Christ will rule for a 1,000 years. You think of things literally actually. Thinking here and now, when time to God is infinate and tomorrow can be a thousand years. The Scriptures are visions and prophecies God was showing the people of the end and rule of Christ. Not a enemy then and now. The enemy then was because of the lack of faith and today it is the same and the same will happen to us.


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Message 173 of 253 (662640)
05-17-2012 2:52 PM
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Re: Isaiah 7
It is immediate because it says it is immediate.

Did it happen before the child born during Azah's reign was old enough to know good from evil?

Note it is taking about the land that Azah abhors, their current enemy.

The question is whether or not ANY Old Testament prophecies refer to Jesus and so far the answer is "No!".

Since you haven't read Isaiah 7, here is all of it.

quote:
Isaiah 7

King James Version (KJV)

7 And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.

2 And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.

3 Then said the Lord unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field;

4 And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.

5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying,

6 Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:

7 Thus saith the Lord God, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.

8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

10 Moreover the Lord spake again unto Ahaz, saying,

11 Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.

12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord.

13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

17 The Lord shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.

19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.

20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a man shall nourish a young cow, and two sheep;

22 And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.

23 And it shall come to pass in that day, that every place shall be, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings, it shall even be for briers and thorns.

24 With arrows and with bows shall men come thither; because all the land shall become briers and thorns.

25 And on all hills that shall be digged with the mattock, there shall not come thither the fear of briers and thorns: but it shall be for the sending forth of oxen, and for the treading of lesser cattle.


NOTE that the virgin birth and subsequent events are a sign given to Azah, signs for HIM to see during his lifetime.

By the way, the prophecy did get fulfilled and during Azah's lifetime. Azah was king of Judah, and Israel was allied with Syria. Israel at the time was considered an apostate Nation. The two Kings mentioned are the Kings of Israel and of Syria (Damascus). Israel and Syria were attacking Judah and the fulfillment of the prophecy was when the Assyrians conquered both Nations.


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Message 174 of 253 (662645)
05-17-2012 3:17 PM
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Re: British Regal Throne
When one traces the roots of the Britons, Scots, Irish, Welsh, English (Anglos and Saxons), Picts, Normans, and Celts, there is substantial evidence that all of those peoples are of Israelite descent.

No! No! That's the Native Americans that are Israelites!! Haven't you read your Book of Mormon?


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Message 175 of 253 (662647)
05-17-2012 3:38 PM
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Re: Isaiah 7
quote:

I dont know why it is immediate? Was not the Jews forsaken of thier kings at the time of Jesus's life?

For the same reason we put a roadsign shortly BEFORE the turning, not hundreds of miles AFTER it.

A sign that something is going to happen is only useful if it happens shortly BEFORE it happens. Not hundreds of years later


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Message 176 of 253 (662648)
05-17-2012 4:16 PM
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Re: British Regal Throne
When one traces the roots of the Britons, Scots, Irish, Welsh, English (Anglos and Saxons), Picts, Normans, and Celts, there is substantial evidence that all of those peoples are of Israelite descent.

Care to share any of this "substantial evidence"?

The Stone of Scone-The Stone of Scone, which is also known as the Stoneof Destiny and has had an extraordinarily elevated place in Irish,Scottish, English, British, Jewish, Muslim History, is a 26 incheslong, 16 inches wide, and 11 inches high block of yellowishsandstone, weighing 152 Kg and carved with a Latin Cross on top.

http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/davids-throne-found-britain

http://www.asis.com/users/stag/stone.html

Absolutely hilarious. Your links offer no evidence to back up these wild ass assertions. You do know what evidence is don't you?

This is my favorite assertion from your one link.

quote:
Though it might be suggested that George I was half-German, this is not so, for his father, Earnest Augustus of Hannover, and his grandfather, Frederick of Bohemia, were both descended from Odin and Frea. Odin (or Wodin) was descended from Calcol and Dardan, who were Zara-Judah's sons. Thus the alliance of Elisabeth and Sophia only strengthened the Judah line: thus, although some members of the Royal line resided in Germany for a period. German Kings never ruled Britain at any time.

Freaking priceless.

My next favorite is this.

quote:
The Royal College of Heralds in Britain accepts this direct line of descent from King David to Queen Elizabeth II as factual.

It is actually The College of Arms. Please show the source for this. The only sources I can find are fundie christian sites. Also, if there was a biblical King David and he had descendents that have survived then there is a chance that anyone alive now could be a descendent. It wouldn't be that special.

I am sure if this is true about the "Royal College of Heralds" then they must have done up a genealogy. Please provide it.

I am calling bullshit on this.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix "link" link. There was an extra space at the end of the url, before the "".


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 177 of 253 (662688)
05-17-2012 11:43 PM
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Re: British Regal Throne
QUEEN VICTORIA

(Heir To King David's Royal Throne)

By

Revd. Charles Fox Parham U.S.A.

Charles A. Jennings

"

ADAM TO VICTORIA
Generations

1 Adam, b c 4000, 3070, Eve.
2 Seth, b c 3870, 2978
3 Enos, b c 3765, 2860
4 Cainan, b c 3675, 2765
5 Mahalaleel, b c 3605, 2710
6 Jared, b c 3540, 2578
7 Enoch, b c 3378, 3013
8 Methusaleh, b c 3313, 2344
9 Lamech, b c 3126, 2344
10 Noah, b c 2944, 2006, Naamah
11 Shem, b c 2442, 2158
12 Arphaxad, b c 2342, 1904
13 Salah, b c 2307, 2126
14 Heber, b c 2277, 2187
15 Peleg, b c 2243, 2004
16 Reu, b c 2213, 2026
17 Scrug, b c 2181, 2049
18 Nahor, b c 2052, 2003
19 Terah, b c 2122, 2083, Amtheta
20 Abraham, b c 1992, 1817, Sarah
21 Isaac, b c 1896, 1716, Rebekah
22 Jacob, b c 1837, 1690, Leah
23 Judah, b c 1753, Tamar
24 Hezron
25 Armn
26 Aminadab,
27 Naashon
28 Salmon
29 Boaz, b c 1312, Ruth
30 Obed
31 Jesse

KINGS OF ISRAEL

32 K David, b c 1085, 1015, Bathsheba
33 K Solomon, b c 1003, 975 Naamah
34 K Rehoboam, b c 1016, d 958, Maacah
35 K Abijam, b c 958, 955
36 K Asa, b c 95 5, 914, Azubah
37 K Jehosaphat, b c 914, 889
38 K Jehoram, b c 889, 885, Athaliah
39 K Ahaziah, b c 906, 884; Zibiah
40 K Joash, b c 885, 839, Jehoaddan
41 K Amaziah, b c 864, d 810, Jecholiah
42 K Uzziah, b c 826, d 758, Jerushah
43 K Jotham, b c 783, d 742
44 K Ahaz, b c 787, d 726, Abi
45 K Hezekiah, b c 75 I, d 698, Hephzibah
46 K Manasseh, b c 7 10, d 643, Meshullemeth
47 K Amos, b c 621, d 641, Jedidah
48 K Josiah, b c 649, d 610, Hamutal
49 K Zedekiah, b c 578, 599

KINGS OF IRELAND

50 K Heremon, b b c 580, Tea Tephi
51 K Irail, Foidh reigned 10 years
52 K Ethraill, reigned 20 years
53 Follain
54 K Tighennas, reigned 50 years
55 Eanbotha
56 Smiorguil
57 K Fiachadh Labhraine, reigned 24 years
58 K Aongus Ollmuchaidh, reigned 21 years
59 Maoin
60 K Rogheachta, reigned 25 years
61 Dein
62 K Siorna Saoghalach, reigned 21 years
63 Oholla Olchaoin
64 K Giallchadh, reigned 9 years
65 K Aodhain Glas, reigned 22 years
66 K Simeon Breac, reigned 6 years
67 K Muireadach Bolgrach, reigned 4 years
68 K Fiachadh Tolgrach, reigned 7 years
69 K Duach Laidrach, reigned 10 years
70 Eochaidh Buaigollorg
71 K Ugaine More the Great, reigned 30 years
72 K Cobhthach Coalbreag, reigned 30 years
73 Meilage
74 K Jaran Gleofathach, reigned 7 years
75 K Coula Cruaidh Cealgach, reigned 4 years
76 K Oiliolla Caisfhiachach, reigned 25 years
77 K Eochaidh Foltleathan, reigned 11 years
78 K Aongus Tuirmheach Teamharch, reigned 30 years
79 K Eana Aighneach, reigned 28 years
80 Labhra Suire
81 Blathucta
82 Eassamhuin Eamhua
83 Roighnein Ruadh
84 Finlogha
85 Fian
86 K Eodchaidh Feidhlioch, reigned 12 years
87 Fineamhuas
88 Lughaidh Raidhdearg
89 K Criomthan Niadhnar, reigned 16 years
90 Fearaidhach Fion-Feachtnuigh
91 K Fiachadh Fionoluidh, reigned 20 years
92 K Tuathal Teachtmar, reigned 30 years
93 K Coun Ceadchathach, reigned 20 years
94 K Arb Aonflier, reigned 30 years
95 K Cormae Usada, reigned 40 years
96 K Caibre Liffeachair, reigned 27 years
97 K Fiachadh Sreabthuine, reigned 30 years
98 K Muireadhach Tireach, reigned 30 years
99 K Eoachaidh Moigmeodhin, reigned 7 years
100 K Niall of the Nine Hostages
101 Eogan
102 K Muireadhach
103 Earca

KINGS OF ARGYLESHIRE

104 K Feargus More, a d 437
105 K Dongard, d 457
106 K Conran, d 535
107 K Aidan, d 604
108 K Eugene IV, d 622
109 K Donald IV, d 650
110 Dongard
111 K Eugene V., d 692
112 Findan
113 K Eugene VII, d a d 721, Spondau.
114 K Etfinus, d a d 761, Fergina
115 K Achaius, d a d 819, Fergusia

SOVEREIGNS OF SCOTLAND

116 K Alpin, d 834
117 K Kenneth II, d 854
118 K Constantin II, d 874
119 K Donald VI, d 903
120 K Malcolm I, d 958
121 K Kenneth III, d 994
122 K Malcolm II, d 1033
123 Beatrix m. Thane Albanach
124 K Duncan I, d 1040
125 K Malcolm III Canmore, d 1055,1093, Margaret of England
126 K David I, d 1153, Maud of Northumberland
127 Prince Henry, d 1153, Adama of Surry
128 Earl David, d 1219, Maud of Chester
129 Isabel m Robert Bruce III
130 Robert Bruce IV m Isabel of Gloucester
131 Robert Bruce V m Martha of Carriok
132 K Robert I. Bruce, d 1306,1329, Mary of Burke
133 Margary Bruce m Walter Stewart III
134 K Robert II, d 1390, Euphonia of Ross, d 1376
135 K Robert II, d 1460, Arabella Drummond, d 1401
136 K James I, d 1424, 1437, Joan Beaufort
137 K James I, d 1406, Margaret of Gueldres, d 1463
138 K James III,d 148 8, Margaret of Denmark, d 1484
139 K James IV, d 1543, Margaret of England, d 1539
140 K James V,d 1542, Mary of Lorraine, d 1560
141 Q Mary, d 1587, Lord Henry Darnley

SOVEREIGNS OF GREAT BRITAIN

142 K James VI and I, d 1603, 1625, Anne of Denmark
143 Princess Elizabeth, 1596, 1613, K Frederick of Bohemia
144 Princess Sophia m Duke Ernest of Brunswick
145 K George I, 1698, 1727, Sophia Dorothea Zelle, 1667, 1726
146 K George II., 1727, 1760, Princess Caroline of Anspach, 1683, 1737
147 Prince Frederick of Wales, 1707, 1751, Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha, 1744, 1818
148 K George III, 1760, 1820, Princess Sophia of Mecklenberg Strelitz
149 Duke Edward of Kent, 1767, 1820, Princess Victoria of Leinengen
150 Queen Victoria, b 1819, cr 1838, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg "

Information provided at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
http://rcg.org/books/aabibp.html
http://www.truthcontrol.com/...anic-saxons-being-tribe-judah
http://davidsthrone.com/
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/zara.htm

http://www.theantechamber.net/Vk2008/StoneOfJacobThrone.htm
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/queenvictoria.html


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Message 178 of 253 (662700)
05-18-2012 5:08 AM
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Re: British Regal Throne
From your own links:

quote:
British Israelism rests on linking different ancient populations. This includes links between the "lost" tribes of Israel, the Scythians, Cimmerians, Celts, and modern Western Europeans such as the British. To support these links, adherents claim that similarities exist between various cultural aspects of these population groups, and they argue that these links demonstrate the migration of the "lost" Israelites in a westerly direction. Examples given include burial customs, metalwork, clothing, dietary customs, and more.[274] Critics argue that the customs of the Scythians and the Cimmerians are in contrast with those of the Ancient Israelites.[272][275] Further, the so-called similarities and theories proposed by adherents are contradicted by the weight of evidence and research on the history of ancient populations. It does not provide support for the purported links.

But at least it answers the question: "Where are you getting this nonsense from?"

And looking at 'your' list of irish kings, at least one of them is a woman.

SD writes:

The have thier ancestory that go back to King David, Jesus, Muhammad, and even Thor!

Thor...

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Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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Message 179 of 253 (662713)
05-18-2012 8:43 AM
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Re: British Regal Throne
In other words your source lied. I see nothing from the College of Arms. All this is is ridiculous fundy nonsense. Lets see some documentation for this "genealogy"

As I stated before this is all crap with no evidence.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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05-18-2012 9:28 AM
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Re: British Regal Throne
78 K Aongus Tuirmheach Teamharch, reigned 30 years

I want to see his long-form birth certificate.


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Message 181 of 253 (662748)
05-18-2012 2:52 PM


This is easy to see. Go to coat of arms of Prince Charles of England. On his coat of arms you see the following: 1. representative Lion - This Lion of thier arms descends from Judah. Even further back to Babylon. Opposite the Lion is a unicorn this unicorn also represents Israel. In the middle of the arms is a harp. This Harp is the harp of David this symbolizes that the British monarch is heir to Davids throne. Also is was a must for Charles to marry Diana because she was princess of Wales who sports the Red Dragon. The red dragon is chained to the unicorn this symbolizes that the unicorn is controlled by the red dragon. All these symbolize Israel, Judah, and the antichrist. His Lion looks as though it was a Lion but is not. It is the mouth of a Lion, the feet of a Bear, and the body of a leopard. He has a little lion atop this crest also giving into the Little horn.
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