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jar
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Message 16 of 78 (594084)
12-01-2010 3:46 PM


old story? New findings? Let's do it without Phosphorus.
Yellowstone, Arsenic and Old Lace.


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Message 17 of 78 (594088)
12-01-2010 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dr Adequate
12-01-2010 3:31 PM


Dr Adequate writes:

(1) This is an evil atheist lie.

(2) As no creationist has ever taken a position on this subject, this doesn't prove us wrong.

(3) This proves that creationists are right.

You forgot to include.

(4) Since no one has actualy been to where ever they discovered whatever they discovered. Than it doesn't count as emperical evidence and should just be hand waved away.


'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
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Message 18 of 78 (594091)
12-01-2010 4:48 PM


Fleet Enema
We could be in big trouble here!

My sources tell me they have discovered the combined battle fleet of the G'Gugvunt and the Vl'hurgs heading this way.

Time to get the small dogs ready!


  
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Message 19 of 78 (594189)
12-02-2010 1:59 PM


http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

If anyone wants to watch it is starting in a few minutes hope it is something big though some say its about a bacteria that can live in arsenic.


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Message 20 of 78 (594190)
12-02-2010 2:00 PM
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12-02-2010 1:59 PM


See Message 16.


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Message 21 of 78 (594191)
12-02-2010 2:03 PM
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12-02-2010 2:00 PM


Lol dint see it the first time, though even proof that life can live in arsenic is not that bad, further proof that life shoudl be found somwhere out there.

and it is about life found on earth, damm i was really hopping for a microbe from space.

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Message 22 of 78 (594192)
12-02-2010 2:06 PM


http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
  
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Message 23 of 78 (594193)
12-02-2010 2:08 PM
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12-01-2010 3:31 PM


I should think that the creationist response would break down three ways:

(1) This is an evil atheist lie.

(2) As no creationist has ever taken a position on this subject, this doesn't prove us wrong.

(3) This proves that creationists are right.

Bingo! #3

Arsenic-Based Biochemistry: Turning Poison Into Wine

The author is associated with the Dishonesty Institute, of course.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Message 24 of 78 (594196)
12-02-2010 2:18 PM


Where does this arsenic-for-phosphorous organism fit into the tree of life? Does any one know even the name?

ABE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFAJ-1_%28bacterium%29

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Message 25 of 78 (594201)
12-02-2010 2:55 PM
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12-02-2010 2:08 PM


Rofl, the first reporter that got to ask a question was also a creo

he asked something like is there any indication that this ability was not alredy in the bacteria from the begining.

Or something like that lol the sience guys dint get it so they did not anwser the way the guy wanted to.


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Message 26 of 78 (594244)
12-02-2010 7:15 PM
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12-02-2010 2:08 PM


Dr Adequate writes:
I should think that the creationist response would break down three ways:

(1) This is an evil atheist lie.

(2) As no creationist has ever taken a position on this subject, this doesn't prove us wrong.

(3) This proves that creationists are right.

Coyote writes:
Bingo! #3

Arsenic-Based Biochemistry: Turning Poison Into Wine


And now a different creationist response on why this shows creationists are right:
Alien Life?

They can't even get their act together on why this refutes evolution


Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Message 27 of 78 (594254)
12-02-2010 8:09 PM
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12-02-2010 7:15 PM


And now a different creationist response on why this shows creationists are right:
Alien Life?

Omg i did not read everything tough from what i took a glance off this dude thinks that nasa claims that that microbe is alien ???????

All it did was it found a way to substitute arsenic for phosphor and live whit it granted a big acomplishment since arsenic was considerd to be poison for all life though nothing to sugest that it was alien and noone on the conference claimed that it did.

Again a creo taking things out of context to prove his ludicrus theory.


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Message 28 of 78 (594257)
12-02-2010 8:24 PM
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12-02-2010 7:15 PM


And now a different creationist response on why this shows creationists are right:

I look forward to it.


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Message 29 of 78 (594258)
12-02-2010 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Coyote
12-02-2010 2:08 PM


PZ Myers take on the issue
PZ says It's not an arsenic-based life form:

quote:
It's an extremophile bacterium that can be coaxed into substituting arsenic for phosphorus in some of its basic biochemistry.

Much more at the source cite, including the info that arsenic is found right below phosphorus in the periodic table.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add PZ's topic title to the first sentence.


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jar
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Message 30 of 78 (594261)
12-02-2010 8:30 PM


What was important in the news conference
Most important point:

Scientist says that for his whole professional life he has been making a claim that this discovery shows to be wrong, and how absolutely exciting it was.

Second most important point:

Scientist says that his job is to challenge and test each point and try to refute them, and everyone happy he is there.


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