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mike the wiz
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Message 841 of 860 (787772)
07-21-2016 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 837 by Faith
07-21-2016 8:05 AM


The only part I disagree with is, it, "hurts". Do you know why I disagree Faith? Because words don't come with any power, we have to neurotically agree to give words power.

Why would you be so silly as to take what someone says, stick it in your chest like a knife and then twist? You have to expect animals to act like animals. If you went into a prison full of the most violent rapists, would you expect them to be abstaining monks?

X people are going to act like X people. Z people are going to act like Z people.

My only request, is that you don't GIVE THEM the power to, "hurt" you, because you do have to give them it. And that's what they want, they WANT to hurt you because they can't change you. That is the ultimate desire of a self-righteous sinner, they see it like this; "until person X behaves as I think they SHOULD behave then they are guilty as charged and will be treated as though they are a dog turd on my shoe".

Oh what a shining example of morality they are, Faith, but have you forgotten what your Lord said? "Blessed are you when they insult you and say all manner of false things against you". (paraphrase).

Your conduct is expected by God, you are expected not to insult back but to show that you stand for God and that God's way is better than their way. These petty taunts can't hurt you, unless you choose to hurt yourself by focusing on them.

Like Mike Summers says, it is our thoughts that cause us to emote, not anything anyone said. So when someone insults you, you have to remember that you have a CHOICE. Are you going to put it in the "eject" pile or are you going to twist the knife and give them the victory?

Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.


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Message 842 of 860 (787773)
07-21-2016 5:09 PM
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07-21-2016 9:01 AM


Thanks, Subbie.
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Message 843 of 860 (787774)
07-21-2016 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 841 by mike the wiz
07-21-2016 4:43 PM


I understand your point, Mike, but unfortunately my conduct isn't always that exemplary, although lately I've been doing a lot better. And I added "hurt" because it does, and maybe you feel you have a choice about how things affect you but I don't. If it hurts it hurts.

Interesting that you mention a guy whose name I know only from seeing it at Evolution Fairytale. Did you expect me to recognize it from there?

ABE: You know what, I disagree about words. That little ditty about how words will never hurt me is empty bravado, I think words may actually hurt as much or more than a knife in the chest. I think this is implied in scripture too, since the tongue is described as an organ with the power of Hell, and our Savior is called The Word or Logos, and we are admonished that we will be judged for our every "idle word." I know there's more but those are what come to mind at the moment.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 844 of 860 (787775)
07-21-2016 5:16 PM
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07-21-2016 4:20 PM


Percy shows up early in the mornings for a while though he doesn't post. Maybe you're right, he's on vacation. When I posted my complaints, however, it was more just to get them logged than wanting a particular punishment.
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mike the wiz
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Message 845 of 860 (787779)
07-21-2016 5:35 PM
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07-21-2016 5:13 PM


Faith writes:

I understand your point, Mike, but unfortunately my conduct isn't always that exemplary, although lately I've been doing a lot better. And I added "hurt" because it does, and maybe you feel you have a choice about how things affect you but I don't. If it hurts it hurts.
Interesting that you mention a guy whose name I know only from seeing it at Evolution Fairytale. Did you expect me to recognize it from there?

I see a new member of evolution-fairytale with the name, "Faith", I have provisionally assumed it is you. Of course it may well not be, but I am guessing. Usually my guesses prove correct but not always.

And I disagree that "if it hurts it hurts". I do know what you mean though, when someone is mean-spirited and they say something that shocks, confuses, flabbergasts, hurts initially, yes, it hurts initially, but then we have a choice, we can literally make a decision to not let it fester. I speak about a FACT because I can remember times when I let things that hurt fester and I can remember times when I chose to let them go.

So then, logically speaking, is something "just hurts" emotionally, and it can't be helped, then how was I able to, "not hurt" those times when I specifically made a choice to let it go?

Mike Summers is a psychologist who has not experienced anger hatred or felt hurt by insults for 35 years. His story is complicated, he is a man with no legs who went through something tremendously difficult and self-taught himself a Christian philosophy based on an astonishingly practical and factual basis - that we are deceived when we believe the lie that the atmosphere has control over us and when we believe that people have control of our emotions. We cause them ourselves and are duped into believing that other people cause them.

Exhibit A:

"I beat my wife because the dumb t*a* put sugar in my coffee, she made me get made because I told her twenty times to never do that, an f-ing cat could have obeyed my instructions."

In this example, we can actually see that normal civilised people don't beat people to a pulp for making basic errors, PROVING logically that in fact the real reason he beat her up had nothing to do with the sugar in the coffee. He made a choice to think that "she shouldn't have done X so the punishment is just", then he FED that deceptive thought and EMOTED to the point of getting so angry he hit her.

In the garden of Eden this was part of the first deception, that the first people would only be happy if they could obtain X, which Satan proposed as a deception. In fact the correct response would have been to say, "I am totally happy, I don't believe a piece of fruit can affect my level of peace or the desire for something, or that desire should run my brains."

Faith, you can go on hurting yourself at forums like these. Everyone knows what forums like these are, they are spiders-webs to catch creation-flies.

All I'm saying is, have you ever tried purposefully choosing to say to yourself (thoughtfulness) "I am jettisoning this insult, I immediately forgive, I laugh at this feeble taunt, why on earth would I make myself hurt because of this?"

Just think about it - we are the ones that make that initial emotional disturbance turn into a terrible nightmare we create. All it is, is a word, spoken by a person that is in their sins, it is expected nehaviour, as a creationists at places like these, you are regarded as an ostricised dog-turd and so am I, to their debased minds, we don't even count as human, and to their minds it is justified if we are treated badly, "because they don't accept evolution, which is OURAGEOUS and deserves punishment" (pride and self-righteousness)

I am not saying all evolutionists are like that, some are obviously more naturally nice and more intelligent, and they stay away from the dirty side of debate, but a lot of people are obviously not all that smart or knowledgeable so they have to depend on insults and poor behaviour.


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mike the wiz
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Message 846 of 860 (787780)
07-21-2016 5:37 PM
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07-21-2016 5:13 PM


Faith writes:

I understand your point, Mike, but unfortunately my conduct isn't always that exemplary

The Lord is close to those who are contrite in spirit.

I don't see any evos lining up to confess what they did wrong, do you? Which means that morally speaking, you're already a long way ahead, because P R I DE still has hold of them.

If you confess and repent, and ask God to help you be better, that is the correct decision.


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Message 847 of 860 (787782)
07-21-2016 5:41 PM
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07-21-2016 5:35 PM


I can forgive, yes, but it takes a while for the effect to fade. Good for Mike Summers that he has found a way to transcend it all.

Yes I signed up at Evolution Fairytale. I was looking for a place that might be more welcoming of my arguments at a point when the futility of it all at EvC was getting to me. But as I read through the site over there I just didn't feel I belonged there, whatever that means. That may be a temporary impression. We'll see.


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mike the wiz
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Message 848 of 860 (787784)
07-21-2016 6:01 PM
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07-21-2016 5:41 PM


Faith you should try your hand at EFF, I think you're so used to being the victim, that you're probably stuck in one-man-soldier mode.

But if you come to places that are a bit of a lion's den, you have to have practice renewing your mind, IMHO.

Who knows, maybe Mike Summers also has a naturally thick skin.

All the best then with your endeavours at EvC, I have a similar past-time banging my head on brick walls, I get about the same out of it as you do, here.

Do you think the guys that come against you here will ever accept what you say? That's why they accuse me of gish-and-gallop but I think personally I am only required to GIVE my reasons as to why I have the faith and belief I do, try to write that as clearly and as best I can, then it's up to people to accept or reject it. Endlessly debating and petty fights though? Why bother?

Best wishes.


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Message 849 of 860 (787823)
07-22-2016 12:51 PM
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07-21-2016 5:41 PM


Faith writes:

I was looking for a place that might be more welcoming of my arguments at a point when the futility of it all at EvC was getting to me.


Evolution Fairytale is not by any stretch of the imagination welcoming of arguments that are one iota different from their own. Percy is a double saint compared to the "moderators" over there.
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Message 850 of 860 (788699)
08-03-2016 7:28 PM


Admin Moose
When someone brings up all the forests washed away and the story actually says the tree was there your action is complete out of line.

The Olive Tree was absolutely on topic and I even posted the relevant nonsense from Faith to explain why it was on topic and relevant.

Sorry Moose but you blew it there.


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Message 851 of 860 (788701)
08-03-2016 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by jar
08-03-2016 7:28 PM


Re: Admin Moose
Your connection of the olive tree with "forests" didn't make any sense at all. My saying the forests would have been uprooted doesn't imply every single tree on the planet had to have been uprooted. Besides, I was just reading some commentaries that say the olive tree would not have been the only tree left living, that it must have been among many fruit trees that emerged after the Flood. So it was not only off topic but irrelevant to the point I made. I'm glad I was spared having to respond to it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 852 of 860 (788708)
08-03-2016 10:43 PM
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08-03-2016 9:10 PM


Re: Admin Moose
Your connection of the olive tree with "forests" didn't make any sense at all.

Assuming this to be correct, an incorrect argument is still not an off topic argument.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson


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Message 853 of 860 (791414)
09-15-2016 12:45 AM


Thanks, Moose
Just a thank-you note to Moose for his objection to jar's introduction of an alien topic on the thread about OEC vs YEC views.
    
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Message 854 of 860 (791752)
09-20-2016 9:10 PM


re: Message 1207
The rocks are not the issue; the topic is "The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock".

The existence and reality of the rocks is conceded, it is the time line that is the question and that needs to be addressed.


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Message 855 of 860 (792061)
10-02-2016 2:10 PM


Boring
This place is boring without Faith.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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