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Tanypteryx
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Message 856 of 997 (792064)
10-02-2016 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 855 by Coyote
10-02-2016 2:10 PM


Re: Boring
This place is boring without Faith.

Well, what did you expect to happen when we finally convinced her that all her arguments are incorrect and that ours are correct?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 857 of 997 (792067)
10-02-2016 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 856 by Tanypteryx
10-02-2016 2:50 PM


Re: Boring
Well, what did you expect to happen when we finally convinced her that all her arguments are incorrect and that ours are correct?

Lol!! I see what you did there! ROFL!!


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

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Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith


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Message 858 of 997 (804556)
04-11-2017 2:20 AM


From "The Nonsense of Revelation 13 Economics" topic
From here:
Adminnemooseus writes:

Please clarify what you mean by the terms "*******", "********", and "*********".

Or are they just indicators that you are a wacko and your message(s) should be cast into the garbage heap?

Go ahead, in this case, reply to this message to clarify your topic position.

Adminnemooseus

Response from here:

Davidjay writes:

Calling me a wacko, is surely not an appropriate way of getting me to tell you who ******** and ****** represent. Besides its on my weebsite if you really want to research it and get into greater detail.

I obviously didn;t tell you because all you need to know was already present and explained.

If you have a real question concerning the topic, to consider asking it more politely.

Thanks

David

Considering that your participation at this forum much rests in my opinion of you, you might have responded to the polite (I said "Please") request of sentence one.

Instead, you gave me an implied "Yes" to the question of sentence two.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that.

    
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Message 859 of 997 (805124)
04-15-2017 11:51 PM


Do posters lie? Yeah.
As we are not allowed to comment on the other thread. I will repost here

David Jay is the worst, most egregious liar we have had here in a long time. He makes other creos look like virtues of truth. This is not a perfect world and debate sites do attract liars. When the mods refuse to enforce rules for a certain subset, their behaviour will continue to devolve. Making up facts, changing arguments in midstream and claiming other posters said something other than what they actually said, are all forms of lying.
Dr. A is not the problem. He is doing the only reasonable thing to do when confronted with a member as dishonest as DavidJay. If mods will not call out the lying it is up to the members.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 860 of 997 (805125)
04-16-2017 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 859 by Theodoric
04-15-2017 11:51 PM


Seeing all the complaints that turned up on the discussion problems thread I have to wonder why more of that wasn't reported there before. I haven't followed DavidJay much, beyond some posts on the Messiah thread, but to me it's annoying when there are a lot of one-liner posts calling someone a liar. That's boring and annoying. It should all be taken to the Discussion Problems thread IMO.

Seems to me DJ says a lot of indefensible things, but the lying everyone is complaining about is mostly his refusal to acknowledge the opinions of opponents. It's lying, yes, but it's mostly a strategy, a bad one but a strategy.

My opinion is that he should be warned, and if he doesn't shape up after a couple of warnings then suspend him.

Meanwhile we could use a lot less of this calling people liars no matter what the provocation.


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Message 861 of 997 (807163)
05-01-2017 8:49 AM


Ban the lying twit
David Jay was already banned for his previous behaviour.

Since being let off his ban he has contributed exactly nothing in the way of reasonable discussion.

Given that he has not changed for the better since the original ban how much more rope must he be given ?


    
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Message 862 of 997 (807173)
05-01-2017 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 860 by Faith
04-16-2017 12:11 AM


It's lying, yes, but it's mostly a strategy ...

Most people lie with some sort of purpose in mind. Is that an excuse?


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Message 863 of 997 (807174)
05-01-2017 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 862 by Dr Adequate
05-01-2017 9:22 AM


Davidjay
It's lying, yes, but it's mostly a strategy ...

Most people lie with some sort of purpose in mind. Is that an excuse?

He's trolling us. He's deliberately lying to get a reaction.

From Wiki:

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.

I would have thought that was against Forum Guidelines.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 864 of 997 (807175)
05-01-2017 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 860 by Faith
04-16-2017 12:11 AM


Faith writes:

Meanwhile we could use a lot less of this calling people liars no matter what the provocation.

No one who is not lying should be called a liar. Acknowledging reality though is simple honesty. Many, particularly those who constantly lie to themselves, cannot even recognize the fact that they are liars without help from outsiders.


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Message 865 of 997 (807226)
05-01-2017 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 860 by Faith
04-16-2017 12:11 AM


Faith writes:

It's lying, yes, but it's mostly a strategy, a bad one but a strategy.


In 1972, with Watergate looming on the horizon, Richard Nixon was re-elected by a landslide. One commentator said that America had chosen a smart crook (Nixon) over an honest fool (McGovern).

Since then, if somebody claims to be an honest fool and not a smart crook, I take his word for it.

So I accept that Donald Trump is an honest fool and Davidjay is an honest fool.


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Message 866 of 997 (807285)
05-01-2017 11:59 PM


To Moose
Re: Message 239

Davidjay is deliberately generating and repeating falsehoods. We all know nobody on the evolution side claimed humans are descended from bats, but he keeps repeating the false claim that three have done so.

That's not honest debating--that's trolling, and lying.

That seems to be a part of an overall pattern for this poster.

It would seem that some more substantial moderation might be in order.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 867 of 997 (807286)
05-02-2017 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 866 by Coyote
05-01-2017 11:59 PM


Re: To Moose
My recent Davidjay permanent suspension was, for a here lack of a better term, rejected by Admin as not being appropriate because proper procedure was not followed.

I therefore have abdicated most all responsibility for Davidjay control to Admin.

There is, of course, that "don't feed the troll" concept. If the various members don't think a Davidjay message is worthy of a reply, maybe they shouldn't reply.

I think his messages do a pretty good job of displaying that Davidjay is a wackjob's wackjob.

See signature.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that.

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Message 868 of 997 (807622)
05-04-2017 11:48 AM


"Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION."
Don't bother to promote Davidjay's latest, "Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION."

He'll just use the new thread to spam and lecture, with no attempt to debate. He's certainly not here to learn anything from us!


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 869 of 997 (807626)
05-04-2017 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 868 by Coyote
05-04-2017 11:48 AM


Re: "Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION."
Its an honest topic. We discussed Creations exact history, so why are evolutionists afraid to discuss their own history.

Thats not trolling, its called debating. Fair for one is fair for the other..

Evolutionists shouldnt complain and call their opponents liars just because evolutionists should answer a few questions themselves and back up their statements themselves. True debates are two sided, questions and answers.

Lets discuss the Origins of Evolution's History.

The problem is evolutionists dont explain themselves, mostly I assume because they have no answers, sop resort to name calling instead. Lets get back to discussions, and adding to the TOPIC.... in this case evolutions HISTORY


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 870 of 997 (807651)
05-04-2017 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 869 by Davidjay
05-04-2017 11:57 AM


Re: "Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION."
We discussed Creations exact history, so why are evolutionists afraid to discuss their own history.

This has been discussed in numerous threads here. The study of evolution added lots of knowledge over the past 150 years. The history of the study makes almost no impact on what is being studied and discovered today. Knowledge is built on the foundations of the past, but the fields of study today were mostly completely unknown in the beginnings of biological study.

You have demonstrated throughout your recent rants here that you have no accurate knowledge of evolution, science, biology, history, mathematics, religion, creationism, debate, reading, writing, spelling, or grammar. Have I forgotten anything?

Moderators: please don't let this clown cause more chaos at EvC.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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