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Phat
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Message 886 of 989 (811696)
06-10-2017 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Tangle
06-10-2017 4:00 PM


If Davidjay gets suspended permanently it will not be because he posts illogical content. It will be due to disrespect of other members and/or excessive spamming. We are not looking to ban any loon that comes along. David has actually made some decent posts over in Faith & Belief...and you can't demand evidence over there anyway.

For now, he will be unable to post in the science forums.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Tangle
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Message 887 of 989 (811700)
06-10-2017 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by Phat
06-10-2017 5:06 PM


I'm arguing for self-moderation, not more mod intervention - I appreciate what you guys are doing but we're just feeding his habit

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Davidjay 
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Message 888 of 989 (811707)
06-10-2017 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by Phat
06-10-2017 5:06 PM


Evolutionists and atheists are very disrespectful and out of control
Nah, evolutionist get upset when I show their evidence of inbreeding and color change doesn;t prove evolution ever happened, and dont like the science and math that proves creation.

I always treat people with respect..... that is definitely not my problem. For in the face of disrespect and harasment I continually try...to disregard the disrespectful and name calling towards me. For I have been called almost everything possible by the opposition of evolutionists and atheists. Yet seeing they get away with it, they increase their subjective attacks against me. This is proveable by reading their posts herein, for they are a protected species.

No wonder, creationist dont come HERE.

Buty I do understand why they demand that I be banned and barred from defeating them further. Its an evolution board and I knew that from the beginning, but as mentioned in my signature, I do thank the moderators for allowing me to show them their faults and shortcomings and untruths.

Yes, of course I know Faith and Belief, but the evolutionists come there as well, and attempt to harass me, not a problem. Its easier to out think them as they are just complainers and whiners.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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nwr
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Message 889 of 989 (811709)
06-10-2017 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 884 by caffeine
06-10-2017 3:36 PM


Re: DavidJay's *********s
A lot of his posts are filled in asterisks in place of words, and it's rarely looks like anything that would make sense from either the point of self-censorship or imposed restrictions.

I have not noticed, probably because I don't read his posts, nor do I read the threads where he is active.

Have you tried clicking the "Peek" button? I seem to recall that if he is banned from using some words, you can see what he actually typed with "Peek". If the *** is still there with peek, then I think that means that he typed them himself.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Davidjay 
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From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 890 of 989 (811716)
06-11-2017 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 889 by nwr
06-10-2017 11:14 PM


Re: DavidJay peeked into 'fucking idiot' post of evolutionist.
My asterisks can be decoded easily if you know what I have been proving etc etc...... but I dont harass or name call and if I even get close I get suspended for doing such, in paralleling my out of control opposition that do it without suspension or even a gentle chide.

I dont write in PEEK, although I did complain about one evolutionist calling me a fucking idiot, in His PEEK...... but was told by the adminstration that there was no language rule HERE. And so that poster was protected in His PEEK and other normal attacks against me.

No I have never used a PEEK, although I peeked into the 'fucking idiot' peek against me and complained to no avail.

The administration has to admit this as true, as it is even in print HEREIN. There is no rule language rule Here, they can call me anything they 'fucking want' and I have to take it and accept it, cause they said I deserved it.

Go to that thread.

Ha, but I also peeked into this thread and found again that whimpy losing evolutionists are posting against me because they haven;t got the balls to face me in OPEN HONEST DEBATE.

But whatever, I might get the right to hang in there for a few more days because one adminstrator and I agree on Paul and his unChristian words against the Lord...and his asexual teachings against women and the Lord himself.

we'll see.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 891 of 989 (811723)
06-11-2017 5:31 AM
Reply to: Message 885 by Tangle
06-10-2017 4:00 PM


Try to make the behavior nature distinct
First of all, the damn asterisks are purely Davidjay's creation.

Can I suggest that a little self-moderation is in order? Why respond to his garbage? Wouldn't we be better ignoring all the bollox and only responding when he says something that has actual content?

I could give you a POTM for that statement, but I'm not going to.

I absolutely agree with the above quoted. And I would ask that when another member does respond to a Davidjay message, s/he do it with high quality, snark free text.

As I see it, it becomes much harder for an admin to come down on a Davidjay's bad behavior, when the others are blurring the distinction line by posting dubious quality of their own.

It's hard to come down on a jerk, when the replier(s) are also being jerks. I guess I could do a suspension over a jerk posting, and also suspend any other members posting like reply messages.

See signature.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that.

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 892 of 989 (811725)
06-11-2017 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 891 by Adminnemooseus
06-11-2017 5:31 AM


Re: Try to make the behavior nature distinct
It's hard to come down on a jerk, when the replier(s) are also being jerks.

I add, when you feed a troll, your may be becoming one with the troll. If such is the case, the admins might be justified in doing a troll mass suspension.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that.

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Message 893 of 989 (811728)
06-11-2017 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 884 by caffeine
06-10-2017 3:36 PM


Re: DavidJay's *********s
Davidjay enters the asterisks himself.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Davidjay 
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From: B.C Canada
Joined: 11-05-2004


Message 894 of 989 (811730)
06-11-2017 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 893 by Admin
06-11-2017 8:04 AM


Re: DavidJay's *********s explained
Yes, I said that myself, because if I eventually get compelled to even approach the name calling and horrible behaviour of evolutionists in their responses against me

((As they can not and have not posted against my objective and scientific responses, but only retorted with subjectiove slurs, which have been been deemed acceptable here ----including calling me a fucking idiot, which they got away with. Whereas I was told I deserved it for being a troll. In other words, admin...was labeling me and making me an even greater target for their wrath and bad behaviour. And these wrathful mind dead evolutionists then they saw that they were a 'protected species'. they got even worse. Why because they knew with enough character attacks, and subjective slurs against me, I would react in kind. But doing so would suspend me. Thats their ploy and it usually works.... so I used *** and ****

This because 'self censorship was my only option.... the wise could easily figure it out and the 'willingly'dumb could not because they can;t figure out anything.If I didn;t use **** and **** I would have been suspended by now. Falling into their trap, so I used astericks... **********, so as to live another day and survive another day to defeat them another day.... as you always know before hand when they are going to ben you and censor you.

Now you know why I used astericks.... besides they can easily be figured out if anyone had a brain and followed the line of thinking of a intelligent designer, and creationist. For the ******* didn;t hide a foul mouth but a definitive objective assessment of what was going on, and the truths behind the obvious.

Just bring up one of those posts of mine with ****** and *****, and I can fill in the blanks for you.

Its all in black and white printed dialogue and postings, NO PEEKS, just astericks.... and can be verified for anyone who can READ.

My writings justify me, and accuse the out of control frustrated evolutionists.

As my signature states, Thank you for allowing me to defeat evolution and atheism..... Its not hard and hardly a challenge at all.... and reaslly only helps READERS as evolutionists and atheists are stuck in their primordial mud of their minds.

IMHO

David

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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AdminPhat
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Message 895 of 989 (811741)
06-11-2017 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 890 by Davidjay
06-11-2017 12:02 AM


Two Weeks For David
I have taken action against Davidjay for again trolling and posting multiple off-topic posts on numerous topics.
DJJ writes:

I might get the right to hang in there for a few more days because one administrator and I agree on Paul and his unChristian words against the Lord...and his a-sexual teachings against women and the Lord himself.

I'm not sure who this administrator is...I certainly have never perceived Paul as unChristian. But we won't ever get the opportunity for a conversation because you can't keep your keyboard restrained. That by definition is trollish behavior. You sound like a decent guy to get to know, but in the digital world of social media, there are rules and protocol to follow if your goal is to actually communicate rather than talk talk talk and spam spam spam.
DJJ writes:

My writings justify me, and accuse the out of control frustrated evolutionists.

This is why your behavior is unacceptable. You have no need to justify yourself nor accuse anyone else. And yet you feel you do.

Edited by AdminPhat, : added


  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    NoNukes
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    Message 896 of 989 (811756)
    06-11-2017 6:02 PM
    Reply to: Message 886 by Phat
    06-10-2017 5:06 PM


    For now, he will be unable to post in the science forums.

    It may not seem so, but Bible Inerrancy is a science forum, where at a minimum you ought to be making and responding to arguments based on Bible text. I don't see that Dj's behavior is any better in that group than others.


    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

    Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith

    Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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    Adminnemooseus
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    Message 897 of 989 (811757)
    06-11-2017 6:17 PM
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    06-11-2017 6:02 PM


    Davidjay science forum restrictions
    See here for the details of the current Davidjay science forum restrictions.

    Adminnemooseus


    Or something like that.

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    NoNukes
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    Message 898 of 989 (815173)
    07-17-2017 6:52 AM


    Complaints about insults.
    I see that that CRR agrees with Faith that Jon's language has been abusive.

    In fairness, I think we should note that there are insults being traded in a thread whose entire intent is to accuse left leaning posters of being Marxist. Here is a typical exchange of ideas in that thread:

    "But Lefties really have no ability to think. That's why it's always all about people and not about the ideologies that tyrannically and murderously seek to rule the world, including their own Marxism."

    Perhaps in the end, not responding to the "stylings" of a zealot is the first line of defense against such thread. But the chance that any kind of productive exchange is taking place is really remote. Perhaps such stuff should be cut off at the time of Proposing an OP that is little more than a rant.


    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

    Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

    Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


        
    Faith
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    Message 899 of 989 (815186)
    07-17-2017 10:21 AM


    Insisting that a person "hates" someone is not the same as showing that leftists can't think. That is a lie about personal motivation that specifically contradicts what I've actually said over and over and over. This is slander pure and simple. The fact that it is also standard leftist procedure just confirms the fact that leftists can't think. And that is a mild way of putting it. Objecting to their slander is not the same as the slander. DUH. But more than duh.; This is evil, not just stupid.

    This leftist trope of PC accusations would end all civilized discourse. It already makes it impossible to discuss legitimate facts about the ideology of Islam, the Biblical position against homosexual sin, the issue of border security, and anything else in this world. Leftism slanders conservatives as a political tactic, destroying meaningful dialogue. But first of all it IS slander to accuse a person of an emotion. This isn't just about "insults," that's just another way to obscure the point.; This is political war. Go read Alinsky's rules. The whole method is to attack the person, to hurt them by slander. The left really truly cannot think these days, their minds are totally corrupted and they think it's OK to lie about people's motivations to undermine their political position. Insanity reigns. JonF should be suspended for his personal attack on me.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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    JonF
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    Message 900 of 989 (815187)
    07-17-2017 10:45 AM
    Reply to: Message 899 by Faith
    07-17-2017 10:21 AM


    That is a lie about personal motivation that specifically contradicts what I've actually said over and over and over.

    Actions speak louder than words. I deduce from your actions.


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