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Message 961 of 989 (815499)
07-20-2017 1:28 PM


I agree with No Nukes, the dozens of people who pile on me shouldn't bother. It's all a bunch of "non sequiturs and crappy arguments," to use caffeine's phrase in Message 920 (and I don't care if he agrees with me or not in this particular case), that's all that's happened in the last few dozen posts on this thread, nothing but non sequiturs and crappy arguments in response to my simple true statements. Just can't ever leave simple true statements alone, got to jump on them like a pack of wild hyenas tearing apart a carcass rather than let the truth stand. Yuck, why do I ever come back here after leaving for that very reason, that it makes me so sick.

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Message 962 of 989 (815500)
07-20-2017 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 953 by JonF
07-20-2017 12:45 PM


PC is what I said it is, and I've given plenty of sources for that view of it. Your view is the whitewashing propaganda. PC is the most evil political agenda ever invented.
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Message 963 of 989 (815502)
07-20-2017 2:18 PM
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07-20-2017 1:32 PM


Faith writes:

PC is what I said it is, and I've given plenty of sources for that view of it. Your view is the whitewashing propaganda. PC is the most evil political agenda ever invented.

Well, except for Calvinism. Talk about truly evil inventions and Calvinism has to be near or atop the list.


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Message 964 of 989 (815503)
07-20-2017 2:20 PM
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07-20-2017 2:18 PM


Faith writes:

PC is what I said it is, and I've given plenty of sources for that view of it. Your view is the whitewashing propaganda. PC is the most evil political agenda ever invented.

Well, except for Calvinism. Talk about truly evil inventions and Calvinism has to be near or atop the list.

Seconded. Calvinism is the worst. Its way more evil than PC.


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Message 965 of 989 (815505)
07-20-2017 3:02 PM


This thread is a farce.

So what else is new?

Might as well repeat my theme song: Anyone who calls another a racist a homophobe an Islamophobe a sexist a xenophobe a hater or any other term from the PC arsenal of soul killers, ought to be convicted of hate speech and in some cases treason, hung over a pit of butt-chewing crocodiles and/or banished to Antarctica.

Maybe then we could have some peace and prosperity, sanity and reasonable government.

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Message 966 of 989 (815507)
07-20-2017 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 962 by Faith
07-20-2017 1:32 PM


You've given no sources, just ridiculous claims.

What do you think about calling people niggers?


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Message 967 of 989 (815508)
07-20-2017 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 965 by Faith
07-20-2017 3:02 PM


What about your hate speech? Bet that's OK because they deserve it, amirite?

You are a self-confessed homophobe and Islamophobe, and a few other phobes. You have no idea of the law and you obviously scorn our Constitutional protections.

There is no hate speech law in America. There is libel and slander and incitement to criminal activity. The first two don't apply, because "it's true" is a defense (you've admitted it in writing), and the third does not apply because there just isn't any incitement.

Treason is a word that too many people throw around, sadly including some liberals. Saying something you dislike or disagree with is not treason.

Say, what are you? Wop? Mick? Spic? Chink? Dago? Cracker? Peckerwood? Trailer trash?

Since you are so down on PC, which is largely not using such language, I'm sure none of that offends you. If I haven't named you yet there's plenty more to try.


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Message 968 of 989 (815510)
07-20-2017 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 967 by JonF
07-20-2017 3:40 PM


Say, what are you?

Don't stoop, brother. Let the hater hate.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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Message 969 of 989 (815518)
07-20-2017 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 966 by JonF
07-20-2017 3:21 PM


what's really going on
Political Correctness is a concept coined by Mao Tse Tung for holding the "right" Communist beliefs. Cultural Marxism which was the product of the Frankfurt School defines those beliefs in America since the sixties, which I listed roughly in Message 908. THAT is what Political Correctness is. I posted plenty of information about that, such as in Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left. Cultural Marxism is where you got your list of abusive names you called me that started this whole flap a few days ago (see Message 85), the list of typical PC terms starting with "racist" and on down the list, not a single one applying to anything I've ever said except according to the formula of Cultural Marxism which in true Marxist style has to make up Enemies in order to do away with opponents.

That was the list that got you a day off, not for the right reason I gave, that the list is a lying political agenda to slander an opponent into silence, but because you derailed a topic. That post is what PC is. It never had anything to do with the sort of garbage talk you are now making it out to represent, and since I've never used such garbage talk here or anywhere it has nothing to do with this discussion anyway, it's just as usual a way for you to express your own hatred of my views without ever acknowledging them or that I have indeed given plenty of sources for them.

As usual I am alone against a pack of hyenas so there is nobody to agree with me and you can get away with your lying trash.

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Message 970 of 989 (815521)
07-20-2017 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 969 by Faith
07-20-2017 6:49 PM


Re: what's really going on
Political Correctness is a concept coined by Mao Tse Tung for holding the "right" Communist beliefs. Cultural Marxism which was the product of the Frankfurt School defines those beliefs in America since the sixties, which I listed roughly in Message 908. THAT is what Political Correctness is.

It has been proclaimed. The TRVTH has been spoken.

All hail God-empress Faith!


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Message 971 of 989 (815557)
07-21-2017 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 969 by Faith
07-20-2017 6:49 PM


Re: what's really going on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

quote:
The term political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated to PC or P.C.) is used to describe the avoidance of language or actions that are seen as excluding, marginalizing, or insulting groups of people who are seen as disadvantaged or discriminated against, especially groups defined by sex or race

https://www.merriam-webster.com/...ary/politically%20correct

quote:
conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

http://www.economist.com/style-guide/political-correctness

quote:
Avoid, if you can, giving gratuitous offence (see Euphemisms): you risk losing your readers, or at least their goodwill, and therefore your arguments. But pandering to every plea for politically correct terminology may make your prose unreadable, and therefore also unread.

So strike a balance. If you judge that a group wishes to be known by a particular term, that the term is widely understood and that using any other would seem odd, old-fashioned or offensive, then use it. Context may be important: Coloured is a common term in South Africa for people of mixed race; it is not considered derogatory. Elsewhere it may be. Remember that both times and terms change: expressions that were in common use a few decades ago are now odious. Nothing is to be gained by casually insulting your readers.


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_correctness

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The clich term political correctness or "PC" is a snarl word usually referring to upholding a social taboo against language and attitudes that might be considered bigoted. Ruth Perry wrote in an essay entitled A Short History of the Term "Politically Correct"[2] that the term was first coined by Mao Zedong,[3] but was later hijacked by conservative eclectics who proceeded to overuse it in exactly the manner above described, hence taking all the juice out of it.[4] (Defending oneself with it might be the most popular handwave to dismiss social criticism.)

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/...glish/politically-correct

quote:
avoiding language or behavior that any particular group of people might feel is unkind or offensive:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/...ish/politically-correct

quote:
If you say that someone is politically correct, you mean that they are extremely careful not to offend or upset any group of people in society who have a disadvantage, or who have been treated differently because of their sex, race, or disability.

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/...n/politically%20correct

quote:
If you say that someone is politically correct, you mean that they are extremely careful not to offend or upset any group of people in society who have a disadvantage, or who have been treated differently because of their sex, race, or disability.

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Faith
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Message 972 of 989 (815560)
07-21-2017 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 971 by JonF
07-21-2017 9:14 AM


Re: what's really going on
But that's obviously bogus revisionist lies. I never offend in those ways and yet I'm accused all the time by what Political Corrrectness really is, as I've carefully defined it over many many threads by now, which only now is being called into question. I'm as politically correct as all get out if your definitions are right, but they are obviously trumped up and have nothing to do with the fact that the Left calls people by all those names that ARE PC, that you called me in that post that started this whole mess. The whole point, OBVIOUSLY, is to make it impossible to oppose political positions such as open borders, aiding dangerous "refugees" and so on, forcing a political position on the opposition by character assassination as committing any of the standard PC list of offenses. It's a form of social control dictated by the Left against the Right by delegitimizing perfectly legitimate reasonable political positions. Since it is known that Mao invented the term your list of definitions is obviously revisionist and utterly ridiculous.

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Faith
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Message 973 of 989 (815567)
07-21-2017 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 967 by JonF
07-20-2017 3:40 PM


PC definitions continued
Another try at clarity.

You are a self-confessed homophobe and Islamophobe, and a few other phobes.

that's a lie, and it's the result of what PC really is, character assassination that redefines words to vilify a person who is not guilty of any such thing.

Say, what are you? Wop? Mick? Spic? Chink? Dago? Cracker? Peckerwood? Trailer trash?

Since you are so down on PC, which is largely not using such language, I'm sure none of that offends you. If I haven't named you yet there's plenty more to try.

Again, I NEVER EVER EVER offend by the use of such terms as "nigger, fag, towel head" (I'm sure there others but I had to stretch to remember those) and the like. EVER. If that is the definition of PC you have no call EVER to label me by the PC terms
Racist
Homophobe
Xenophobe
Hater
and so on and so forth.

EVER.

And yet you do, which is what I called you on way back there that started this whole discussion, see Message 969 above for all the relevant references.

I identify ISLAM as an evil totalitarian ideology, which it is, and get accused of racism against brown people and "Islamophobia." In other words for stating a political position defining a body of ideas I'm subject to being accused of the equivalent of being impolite to a minority. This is what I mean by saying that Leftists can't think, it's all a kneejerk application of accusations compiled by Leftist Central wherever that is. So nobody can call Islam an evil ideology, that becomes immediately translated into the equivalent of hating brown people and you think that's just fine, you see no problem with that.

Nobody can suggest that there is a security problem at our southern border, which one would think a perfectly neutral rational idea, but no, the Left calls that racism against brown people. See it has nothing to do with the use of impolite language because nobody is using that impolite language, nobody is saying anything racist at all, we are talking about laws and ideologies and social concepts and it is the LEFT that turns those legitimate discussions into personal offenses. This is why you ought to be deported to Antarctica.

So I can't say the Bible defines marriage as between a man and a woman, which is a matter of principle and social policy and yet the Left translates that into "homophobia." And you don't see the unfairness and insanity of that, you call ME the insane one and think that makes sense when it is a blatant perversion of language in the service of character assassination for the purpose of denying me the right to have a political opinion.

Again, your definitions are bogus. It is not about calling people by rude names because obviously I haven't done that, Trump hasn't done that, conservatives generally don't do that, all we have to do is have a political opinion that you define as the equivalent and by that means you exclude us from political discourse on the ground of committing the offenses we have not committed. And the scary thing is that you really believe that.

When language and meaning gets that twisted there really isn't any ground for discussion at all, this is a political divide that can't be healed because the language itself has been corrupted.

I might ask too what hating "Leftists" has to do with your PC list. Are Leftists now a protected victim class?

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Message 974 of 989 (815578)
07-21-2017 11:02 AM
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07-21-2017 10:26 AM


Re: PC definitions continued
I identify ISLAM as an evil totalitarian ideology, ...

Curiously, that is pretty much the definition of Islamophobia.

quote:
Islamophobia is defined as "Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims".

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Message 975 of 989 (815579)
07-21-2017 11:05 AM
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07-21-2017 11:02 AM


Re: PC definitions continued
No, the term "Islamophobia" is just a way of saying there is no rational objection to Islam, it's a way of discrediting a legitimate concept -- a neutral intellectual concept that has nothing whatever to do with fear or hatred or any such personal emotional thing -- by turning it into a PC offense defined by such personal emotional terms.

Again, Leftists truly cannot think, or don't. Can't make logical distinctions, can't see through bogus moral and logical equivalences, can't tell the difference between an emotion and a logical judgment and so on and so forth. But it's surely a learned incapacity, educated into the Leftist mind and not native to it. Which is the meaning of educational dumbing-down, the opposite of critical thinking, the method of the universities since the sixties.

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