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I had to look it up--Herbert published the first novelette introducing the Bureau of Sabotage in 1964; Laumer published the first collection of Retief stories in 1963. I assume at least some of the Laumer stories were previously published in magazines, so Laumer seems to win by calendar calculations.Still, distrust of government was burgeoning in the early sixties, with "revolution in the air". It's hard to tell who had the "benefit of red tape" insight first, especially since writers tends to spill all their best ideas after a few pints.Yes, I agree with the rest of your post. All secrecy and no privacy is the flip side of privatized market gains and socialized losses.But our government isn't for sale. It was purchased long ago to barely a whimper of protest. It will remain in private hands until we take it back.At 59, I am increasingly doubtful I will see that day.

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We are like a bunch of toads in a slowly warming cauldron. Talk about cognitive dissonance.I have been wondering what the next revolution will look like. I am thinking that it may be the leap to true democracy. Is there even a model for that?

Yes Easy most of the population does not give a shit if some one is craping on someones head unless they are directly effected. That is what the public wants to know, nobody wants to know how their government is screwing them from all sides they want to know how some other guy is being screwed. A sex and violence story is way more interesting to the public then some old politicians documents.Well at least assenage is free to roam england once again tough there is a high probability that he will be extradited to Sweden.

No he was granted bail for the charge of rape. The rape in this case resulting from the accusation that he refused to stop when the condom broke, and in a separate incident, refused to wear a condom and then refused to not have sex with her.

Couldn't these just be exaggerated claims? Isn't there some chance even the Swedies with their famous Swedish Cheerleader blondes, might just have a few old stuffy grumpy men in their system?HOWEVER, i should be quick to say that NO is NO and it means NO.

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Yes you are right it was rape, the most cowardly,despicable and loathsome crime. I have no idea if he is guilty or not. If he is then he should, and no doubt will be, prosecuted.While nothing is too strange to have happened, I find it hard to believe that Assange would be going around raping Swedish girls knowing full well that he has pissed off alot of powerful people. I find it much more plausible that someone paid a Swedish prostitute $10k to bear false witness.His greatest crime was probably failing to use sufficient lubrication.

A note of caution - anybody who's saying anything besides "Assange has been accused of rape" is going to wind up looking pretty stupid. I would especially refrain from making assumptions about the accusers.

I would also refrain from making assumptions about the guilt or innocence of Assange. All we know is what we have read in the press.

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Agreed. Again - I'm just saying, nobody knows enough to come to any kind of conclusion, and we should not leap to conclusions that are going to make us look tremendously stupid later on. I'm trying hard not to, myself.

Actually, his crime appear to have been failing to use a condom or some other thing... The problem is that rape laws are very different in Sweden, I don't have details but they seem to have a much larger definition of rape. For example it seems that a woman can withdraw her consent AFTER the fact. There's a blog explaining it a bit, I will try to find better sources.Strona nie zostaa znaleziona | Redroom.comEdited by Son, : No reason given.

Hi crashfrog, Yes, the default position, whenever there is insufficient empirical evidence, is that we don't know enough to reach a valid conclusion.Also note that the relevance of these charges against Assange to the truth of the revelations are ... non-existant, and that using them to attack wikileaks is the ad hominem logical fallacy.Enjoy.

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No, the crime he's been accused of is rape, specifically continuing after consent was withdrawn. There is no 'sex without condom' law in Sweden, nor do they have a particularly expansive definition of rape (withdrawn consent is rape in Sweden, whereas as it would be "merely" sexual assault in some countries/jurisdictions).I refer you to this link: No webpage found at provided URL: Some Shit I’m Sick of Hearing Regarding Rape and Assange

Well, specifically, two Swedish wikileaks supporters both of whom he knew from a wikileaks event. All of which happened before the current cables leak.

I will say again that I have no idea if he is guilty or not. I will withdraw the comment about prostitutes. Neither of the women involved were prostitutes.There do seem to be irregularities in the process the Swedes are using. Which may be viewed as political interference with the judiciary. I don't know. I am getting my 'facts' from that bastion of veracity known as the web. It is all murky which, I suppose, is the intention.I would ask you this though. What is more important to you and me? The fact that Assange may have raped someone or the fact that a potential US presidential candidate, among others, thinks he should be hunted down and eliminated? Which one needs to be repeated 47 times a day on the CBC?Crash and Theodoric are correct. I have no real evidence to support my suspicions. I do, however, have lots of evidence to support my cynicism.

It seems I was wrong and I apologize for it. Well, that's what I like about this site anyway, he you tell shit you will be called on it . The problem was with all the "reputable" press saying this kind of thing, it's hard to find accurate info (and I'm lazy too). Just for information, how did you find out those sites? When I googled, I mostly found info that has turned out to be inaccurate. (googled :"rape laws sweden").