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Author Topic:   Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?
bluescat48
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Message 361 of 391 (597605)
12-22-2010 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 4:33 PM


Re: marriage not sin is the topic
What the Hell has homosexuality got to do with bestiality or paedophilia?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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frako
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Message 362 of 391 (597608)
12-22-2010 5:56 PM


ROFL
OMG you religious gay haters are totally insane.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

ICdesign
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Message 363 of 391 (597611)
12-22-2010 6:11 PM


I don't trust even for one second this horsecrap about homosexual animals. A picture of a couple birds with ruffled feathers doesn't prove a single thing. I noticed the article said this type of behavior wasn't even acknowledged before the 90s. This is a major red flag all by its self for me.
You go right ahead and believe it but I know the real explanation is something other than homosexual animals.
Besides all that I have had special bonds that are unexplainable with other men that had nothing to do whatsoever with a sexual connection. There are lots of different explanations for lots of different things going on around this planet.
I stand behind everything I said in my previous post,
IC

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crashfrog
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Message 364 of 391 (597612)
12-22-2010 6:20 PM
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12-22-2010 6:11 PM


You go right ahead and believe it but I know the real explanation is something other than homosexual animals.
Yeah, I'm sure male bonobos are sucking each other's cocks just for practice.
You really are a gem, IC.

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Coragyps
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Message 365 of 391 (597613)
12-22-2010 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 6:11 PM


but I know the real explanation is something other than homosexual animals.
Spoken like a True Believer(TM). "Damn the evidence! I know I'm right!

"God is Santa Claus for adults."
- Mad Kallie

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jar
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Message 366 of 391 (597614)
12-22-2010 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 6:11 PM


Homosexuality is NOT the topic
Homosexuality is NOT the issue or even related to the topic. We are discussing the legal contract referred to as marriage.
You need to provide a reason that is NOT related to your religious beliefs.
Do you understand basic US laws?
I'll repeat some basics for you.
quote:
Fortunately, not in the US. In the US there must be a clear secular reason for any law, and sin don't just cut it.
1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
Note the first item. If it fails that it is out.
You need to show why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens.
What is the clear secular reason why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens?
Remember homosexuality is NOT relevant, perversion is not relevant, sin is not relevant; we are only talking about denying the legal contract referred to as marriage to one subgroup of citizens?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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Message 367 of 391 (597616)
12-22-2010 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 364 by crashfrog
12-22-2010 6:20 PM


crashfrog writes:
Yeah, I'm sure male bonobos are sucking each other's cocks just for practice.
Which makes me view ICD's comment in a whole different light...
IC writes:
Besides all that I have had special bonds that are unexplainable with other men that had nothing to do whatsoever with a sexual connection.
I am now unable to think of a 'special bond' that is 'unexplainable' that doesn't include touching.
Seriously - what would be an 'unexplainable special bond'?

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Omnivorous
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Message 368 of 391 (597617)
12-22-2010 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 6:11 PM


Living with the animals
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
You've never seen a male dog mount another male dog? Have you ever lived on a farm? Male geese and ducks often bond; I've watched a local reservoir for years, partly because it is ruled by a homosexual pair of China White geese.
The evidence for wide-ranging homosexuality in the animal kingdom is overwhelming.
ICdesign writes:
Besides all that I have had special bonds that are unexplainable with other men that had nothing to do whatsoever with a sexual connection.
If they were unexplainable, how do you know there was no sexual connection?
Or maybe you just have no idea of the wealth of evidence about animal homosexuality (both male and female, by the way). I'd tell you to google animal homosexuality, but you won't: ignoring evidence is how you maintain your iron-clad denial.
So instead, go take a look--go see a dog breeder, and ask. Go to the zoo, and ask the penquin keeper.
You should get out more.

I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past.
-J. Mellencamp
Real things always push back.
-William James

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jar
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Message 369 of 391 (597618)
12-22-2010 6:31 PM
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12-22-2010 6:28 PM


Seriously - what would be an 'unexplainable special bond'?
David's warm feelings "down there" that interfered with plucking the harp?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 370 of 391 (597619)
12-22-2010 6:34 PM
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12-22-2010 6:11 PM


ICDESIGN writes:
Besides all that I have had special bonds that are unexplainable with other men that had nothing to do whatsoever with a sexual connection.
That special bond is what we're trying to protect.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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frako
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Message 371 of 391 (597622)
12-22-2010 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 6:11 PM


A picture of a couple birds with ruffled feathers doesn't prove a single thing.
And i had a gay dog
my guess is you do not go out much

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ICdesign
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Message 372 of 391 (597625)
12-22-2010 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by crashfrog
12-22-2010 5:21 PM


Re: No one can give a reason
crashfrog writes:
Only if you interpret the Bible as saying no one will go to Heaven. Obviously, it doesn't mean that, so clearly it doesn't mean that gay men and women are barred from Heaven.
You should quit trying to act like you understand the bible because you obviously don't have the slightest clue how to interpret scripture. I hear you flapping your lips all over the place about what the bible doesn't mean but never explaining what it does mean.
Homosexual acts are not named specifically;
show me where I said acts were named
everybody realizes those attributions are just legends. Nobody knows who actually wrote the epistles.
You are 100% wrong. ...Oh that's right. Crashfrog said it so that makes it true. I forgot that principle.
Indeed. Yet sinners go to Heaven, do they not?
Or are you literally saying that absolutely no one goes to Heaven? Surely that's not the case?
I thought you understood the bible? The bible clearly states no sinner will enter heaven yet people do go to heaven, so how can that be?
Homosexual acts are not named specifically; they're given the same treatment as liars, as fornicators,...... In other words - sins, but not specifically disqualifying for Heaven.
Show me where it says these sins are not specifically disqualifying for heaven
Being rich, on the other hand, and exploiting the downtrodden and oppressed? Specifically barred from Heaven.
Look at the account of the rich man in Mark 10:21-27.....They were even more astonished and said to him "then who can be saved?" ..."With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible."
Does it sound like Jesus is saying rich people are barred from heaven to you?
I'm not having it both ways. Like I said:
No one can earn entry into the kingdom of God, IC. You can only disqualify yourself from the grace of Christ by not being Christlike.
Yes this is having it both ways. You said not being Christlike will disqualify you. How is that not earning?
You make Clinton look like an honest man.
IC

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ICdesign
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Message 373 of 391 (597628)
12-22-2010 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 371 by frako
12-22-2010 6:51 PM


I have a picture of a moose humping a buffalo statue that I can't figure how to transfer to here.
Would that be statuetory rape or a moosedemeanor?
I have dogs hump my leg all the time. Is that humanallity?
Animals have instinct driven impulses that they aren't sure how to express when the urges are powerful. To associate this drive with human homosexuality is a mistake in my opinion.
Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 374 of 391 (597629)
12-22-2010 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 4:33 PM


Re: marriage not sin is the topic
My valid reason is that homosexuality is a perversion.
Then no perverts should be allowed to marry?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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jar
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Message 375 of 391 (597630)
12-22-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by ICdesign
12-22-2010 7:37 PM


The issue is marriage, not homosexuality
Homosexuality is NOT the issue or even related to the topic. We are discussing the legal contract referred to as marriage.
You need to provide a reason that is NOT related to your religious beliefs.
Do you understand basic US laws?
I'll repeat some basics for you.
quote:
Fortunately, not in the US. In the US there must be a clear secular reason for any law, and sin don't just cut it.
1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
Note the first item. If it fails that it is out.
You need to show why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens.
What is the clear secular reason why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens?
Remember homosexuality is NOT relevant, perversion is not relevant, sin is not relevant; we are only talking about denying the legal contract referred to as marriage to one subgroup of citizens?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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