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Panda
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Message 31 of 88 (597802)
12-24-2010 8:36 AM
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12-24-2010 8:20 AM


frako writes:
Tough
(This could be misunderstood.)
*Though

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Message 32 of 88 (597804)
12-24-2010 8:47 AM
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12-24-2010 8:36 AM


fixed

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Dr Jack
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Message 33 of 88 (597805)
12-24-2010 8:54 AM
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12-24-2010 8:20 AM


Though there is no evidence for this or at least i cannot find any study that would show this in china.
Of course there's no evidence for it, that's why it's a prediction.
There's no evidence for your interpretation either.

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frako
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Message 34 of 88 (597806)
12-24-2010 9:02 AM


IQ Test
Free-IQTest.net - IQ Test
haha lol i wish the one i took for Mensa showed i have an IQ of 127
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frako
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Message 35 of 88 (597807)
12-24-2010 9:07 AM
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12-24-2010 8:54 AM


There's no evidence for your interpretation either.
Every test or survey preformed from the 1920 supports the notion that less religious people are smarter. A test like yours and if it where true would debunk this notion and transformed it to smarter people tend to be outside the norm in cases of religion.
I have a hypothesis and evidence to back it up, and a way to debunk it so go ahead take the first flight to china and conduct a survey there.

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Message 36 of 88 (597808)
12-24-2010 9:13 AM
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12-24-2010 9:07 AM


But your evidence doesn't support any causal link. All you have is correlation.

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Message 37 of 88 (597809)
12-24-2010 9:35 AM
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12-24-2010 9:13 AM


But your evidence doesn't support any causal link. All you have is correlation.
Huh???
Ok let me put it this way how would you test if there is a difference of intelligence between those of high belief and those of low belief.

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Dr Jack
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Message 38 of 88 (597811)
12-24-2010 9:45 AM
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12-24-2010 9:35 AM


Ok let me put it this way how would you test if there is a difference of intelligence between those of high belief and those of low belief.
That's not what I'm disputing; I'm disputing your assertion about that the correlation tells us anything at all about religion. As opposed to merely being a consequence of a third cause.

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frako
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Message 39 of 88 (597813)
12-24-2010 9:50 AM
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12-24-2010 9:45 AM


That's not what I'm disputing; I'm disputing your assertion about that the correlation tells us anything at all about religion. As opposed to merely being a consequence of a third cause.
And you are saying that this 3d cause is that more intelligent people tend to not follow the norm when it comes to religion. If the majority is religious they will tend to be atheistic and if the majority is atheistic they will be religious.
I think that is complete BS, usually intelligent people believe things that have evidence to support it/ pointing to it and not the other way around.

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Panda
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Message 40 of 88 (597814)
12-24-2010 9:58 AM
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12-24-2010 9:13 AM


Mr Jack writes:
But your evidence doesn't support any causal link. All you have is correlation.
Which is why it is an hypothesis and not a theory or a 'fact'.
Yes - more testing is required.
(Frako even suggested what kind of testing could be done.)
He made an hypothesis and showed the data that made him suggest that hypothesis.
You saying: "There is no definite link between religiosity and intelligence." does not affect anything Frako said.
There is no causal link between trauma and PTSD - but they are still considered to be cause and effect.

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Message 41 of 88 (597815)
12-24-2010 10:11 AM
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12-24-2010 9:58 AM


You'll note my comment was a response to his response not an out-of-context note on what he was saying.

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Panda
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Message 42 of 88 (597817)
12-24-2010 10:31 AM
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12-24-2010 10:11 AM


Mr Jack writes:
You'll note my comment was a response to his response not an out-of-context note on what he was saying.
You'll note my comment was a response to your response not an out-of-context note on what you were saying.

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Dr Jack
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Message 43 of 88 (597820)
12-24-2010 11:08 AM
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12-24-2010 10:31 AM


Yeah, I usually expect responses to make some sense.

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Message 44 of 88 (597822)
12-24-2010 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by frako
12-22-2010 4:13 PM


Here's The Deal.
frako writes:
[qs link]The data shown above begs the question: what would be revealed by a survey that correlated IQ and religiosity on an individual basis? Within a given population, is religion more important to persons of high intelligence, or low intelligence?
Here's the deal, Frako. Note in the survey, the nations which register the highest are non-evangelicals. In fact most are non-Christian. In fact most are either Muslim, Roman Catholic or Pagan. In fact, most are not scholastically educated to any significant degree, if not any at all.
Has a study been done on the US by itself? On Protestant vs Roman Catholic, globally? Note in the survey that the Roman Catholic SA nations rate high. Education is not the forte of these nations.

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Panda
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Message 45 of 88 (597823)
12-24-2010 11:26 AM
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12-24-2010 11:08 AM


Mr Jack writes:
Yeah, I usually expect responses to make some sense.
And it appears that asking for clarification was beyond your capabilities.
Are you religious perhaps?

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