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Kaichos Man
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Message 176 of 182 (607599)
03-05-2011 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Noetherian Atheist
01-19-2011 8:51 PM


Re: More counterintuitive Maths
One involves 3 plain cards with faces coloured red/red, red/green & green/green. Now if one card is chosen at random and placed on a table so that you can see one side (red say), what it the probability that the other side is also red?
1/3. The chance of it being green is 1/6. The easiest way to comprehend this is to consider that you are always going to bet that the card is the same colour on the other side. Seeing as two of the three cards are the same colour on the other side, your chances of winning are automatically 2/3.
I know it sounds strange, but it actually isn't. Another way of seeing it ; 3 cards have six sides in total. Chances of pulling out red/red? 1/3. Multiplied by the chance of it showing red? One. One times 1/3 is 1/3. Chances of pulling out red/green? 1/3. Multiplied by the chance of it showing red? 1/2. 1/2 times 1/3 =1/6.
As for the Monty Hall problem, the best way of understanding it is to remember that Monty knows where the car is- so it's kind of like Monty "owning" two of the doors, and you only own one.
Monty's always going to have a goat to reveal (there's only one car) but when you switch you are literally exchanging your 1/3 shot for Monty's 2/3.
If Monty doesnt know, and reveals a goat, your chances remain at 1/3- change or swap. All it means is that Monty's 1/3 shot revealed a goat. It doesn't change your odds.

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Kaichos Man
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Message 177 of 182 (607601)
03-05-2011 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
01-09-2011 7:38 PM


or one that can travel directly upwind, powered by wind
RAZD, I assume you are referring to a yacht tacking. I hate to be pedantic but that isn't "directly" into the wind. However, it is pretty mindblowing that a wind-powered vessel can travel into the wind, directly or indirectly.
My personal favourite is that smoke is heavier than air, and will flow downwards out of a test-tube.

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Kaichos Man
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Message 178 of 182 (607602)
03-05-2011 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by arachnophilia
01-09-2011 6:47 PM


that it is entirely possible to make a vehicle that travels directly downwind, powered only by the wind, and goes faster than the wind
Okay Arachnaphilia, you got me. Elaborate.

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