No, Jazzns, i didn't disagree with that.
Well, then perhaps you should choose your analogies more carefully. If anyone needs a picture with crosshairs on it it would be Jenny McCarthy.
in order to prove that Laughner was motivated by Palin. But nobody is making that specific claim!
Aren't they? Isn't that exactly what was being said in all the quotes I provided?
Let me be more specific. I don't think anybody is making the claim that it was out of the mouth of Palin straight into the actions of Laughner. But that is not necessary to show that the rhetoric is associated with his actions.
At which point, if his only remiaining point is that Republican murder speech has resulted in an increase in political violence, then I agree with him 100% and have nothing else to debate about in this thread.
It is perhaps straining at gnats but I think crash is rightly claiming more than that. I think maybe you are going too far in claiming that he has shifted because it seems very much that you have too. One of your first replies:
Politicians get shot, idiots light themselves on fire. These things just happen.
Did this dude shoot because of the crosshairs? Was this dude motivated by Palin? Was he a Tea Party follower and/or was he inspired by their hate rhetoric?
seems to imply that you are dismissive of any link. So crash has generalized and you have narrowed in. Maybe you can just attribute that to the debate refining both of your positions.
But thanks for your contribution, Jazzns, I always like to read your PoV. I hope this post corrected any misunderstandings between you and I.
Well, I mean you certainly don't make friends on a board full of skeptically minded people by calling them Jenny McCarthy. I understand your position, but I think you are still asking for evidence disproportionate to the claims.
Soldier on.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson