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Author Topic:   Politicizing the AZ massacre
Dr Adequate
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Message 5 of 185 (600190)
01-13-2011 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
01-13-2011 9:39 AM


MSNBC's Keith Olbermann gave a blistering and vitriolic diatribe about Sarah Palin's use of crosshairs on her website, seemingly suggesting that she's some kind of co-conspirator in the shooting. They also focused on the verbiage she uses, like "reload," to insinuate her violent nature towards political opposition.
Olberman's a jackass, obviously.
What gave this traction was of course that Giffords had expressed concern about the crosshairs image before the shooting. Presumably this is what Palin meant when she referred to "seeking to muzzle dissent with shrill cries of imagined insults", or rather presumably this is what she would have meant if she'd spent five seconds thinking about what she was saying.
And yes, the rhetoric is violent. Does it have to be?
She's appealing to her demographic, which is not mentally disturbed, homicidal maniacs.
I'll grant you that most of them aren't homicidal ...
To the extent that she somehow coerced an insane man to commit murder is terribly asinine, and I find a bigger correlation between the media's lackluster ratings and their penchant to politicize anything. A cheap and lowly ploy, really.
Palin isn't above scoring a few cheap points herself.
Apparently if the media try to draw any connection between violent rhetoric and acts of violence, they will "incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn", presumably using their powerz of media magic.
In the same speech she denounces "finger-pointing".
The only reason I don't call her a hypocrite is that to truly achieve that distinction would require a degree of self-awareness which I doubt that she possesses.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 13 of 185 (600219)
01-13-2011 12:07 PM
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01-13-2011 11:49 AM


Re: Everyone does it
Nobody is encouraging violence with this type of map.
I think it has encouraged violence against ... uh ... these things ... what are they called? Oh, yeah, targets.
After all, they have been the victims of a spate of shootings.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 31 of 185 (600248)
01-13-2011 2:47 PM
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01-13-2011 12:55 PM


Re: Palin is an idiot, but....
I happen to agree with it within its proper context, and apparently so did the Founding Fathers.
The Founding Fathers saw guns as the remedy for tyranny. Sharron Angle sees them as the remedy for democracy.

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Message 48 of 185 (600322)
01-13-2011 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by New Cat's Eye
01-13-2011 3:41 PM


Looks like he lost his mind during the same time he became more interested in politics.
It's often the way.

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Message 117 of 185 (601005)
01-18-2011 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Coyote
01-18-2011 12:27 AM


Re: Time for some balance
Google images for "kill Bush." The left was full of hate speech and death treats during his tenure in office.
Please define "hate speech".
Thank you.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 123 of 185 (601053)
01-18-2011 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Coyote
01-18-2011 12:25 PM


Re: Time for some balance
Still more? Here's a sampler:
The progressive climate of hate: An illustrated primer, 2000-2010
(Can't you just feel the love?)
No, I believe I missed the love.
I also missed the definition of "hate speech", which is what I asked for.
Please explain what it is, and if it is or is not protected by my favorite amendment.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 125 of 185 (601059)
01-18-2011 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Coyote
01-18-2011 2:35 PM


Re: Time for some balance
Not interested enough to bother.
Okay. You're just interested enough to use the phrase, but not quite interested enough to say what you think it means.
Fair enough. I too have other things to do. I believe I'll go find a creationist using the word "thermodynamics" and ask him what he thinks it means.
Perhaps I have a petty mind, but you must admit that I also have a certain amount of harmless fun.

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Message 145 of 185 (601162)
01-18-2011 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Coyote
01-18-2011 10:37 PM


Re: More?
Those on the right far more often don't protest at all! But all of that is starting to change, and that's probably why there is so much concern from the left. They don't own the streets any more! There are more media out there than they can control!
Those on the right are starting to fight back, and the lefties don't like that at all!
Yes, we do object a little when congresswomen get shot.
You apparently find it an occasion to adopt a triumphalist tone. For myself, if it had been a Republican who had been shot, I should not have written: "Those on the left are starting to fight back, and the righties don't like that at all!"
But tastes differ, and it would be a strange world if we were all alike.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 148 of 185 (601167)
01-19-2011 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Coyote
01-19-2011 12:23 AM


Re: More?
Your fantasies about me, though amusing, are hardly germane to the topic.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 173 of 185 (603687)
02-06-2011 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Coyote
02-06-2011 3:48 PM


Re: Local group cancels Palin visit...
That touchy-feelie left again. Just a bunch of fun-loving folks they are, eh?
Perhaps you could hold off whining about it 'til they start in on the sticks and stones. That may break someone's bones, y'know.
Or wait until they even allude to sticks and stones in any way ...
The news release, which was issued by the Pacheco foundation about 4 p.m. Saturday, said that no "direct threats have been made against anyone, but the recent increase in negative rhetoric against the former Alaska governor raises concern for her safety and the safety of others."
"Negative rhetoric", eh? Tsk tsk.
But before you leap onto the moral high ground, pause a moment and think if you yourself have ever indulged in "negative rhetoric"; and whether when you do it this calls for the same hysterical over-reaction.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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