Jazzns says:
What I see happening in this thread is a repeated failure to understand the point that crashfrog is trying to make despite what I feel are very lucid arguments being put forward by him.
And I also see at the same time a semantic problem with the word "promote". Oni uses it the way I do. You promote your music or your comedy routine or your Irish Spring soap. Then you wait and see what happens. The two things are disconnected. The Later Developments do not and could not change the "promotion".
BTW, in regards to whether violence in movies, music, TV is more objectionable than your average TV soap ad - THEY ARE ALL ENORMOUSLY OBJECTIONABLE!! The current leading theory of Advertising business SHOULD DIE DIE DIE DIE! They suck dead donkeys dicks and it is humiliating to find myself paying attention to them for any longer that to Identify & Dismiss, like a delete button.
Everyday I get the blues.
Everyday I get assaulted by crass advertising.
Everyday I want to get a AK-47 and visit their home office - BUT for the impracticality of it and the useless gesture it would make.
No.
The problem IS, as crashfrog has taken some pains to illustrate, the problem is...
advertising works.
This is a huge indictment on the species we are.
We are STUPID.
And because WE ARE STUPID, crash is correct to Nail the Right for their idiotic rapture with guns. Cuz there's idiots out there who respond to the climate.
Coyote also brings up some good examples of Idiocy from the left side of the spectrum. Admittedly a lot of his examples are not from people on the left who hold positions of authority within their own ranks. So while the dubious far left may produce horrible pictures of McCain or Bush, that seems to be a lot different than sanctioning holding events to shoot at pictures. But not that much. It is a tragedy.
One thing I noticed in Hyroglyphx's political compass thread is how ZERO of us (i was roughly at -6, -6) - NONE, ZIP, NADA of us were above the line in the middle. We seem to all spurn Authoritarian Governments.
YES.
We have a common ground.
The extreme posters, slogans, and stuff like that are all directed against Totalitarianism, whether from the left or the right. We've seen pictures of Bush with the Hitler mustache and pictures of Obama with the Hitler mustache. Hitler! Hitler! Hitler! LOLOLOL Think about this...the one thing that we have instilled over here is the Absolute rejection of Stalin/Hitler/you name it/.
Maybe, in a nutshell, the difference between the left and the right in this country boils down to whether Big Multi-International Corporate Business is pushing us further upwards into a totalitarian state MORE than the Fat Bloated Invasive US Government, with its expensive arcane ways of wasting money trying to assuage those on the left with cardboard houses, tax the shit out of people who have worked very hard to become rich and come up with silly cures that are worse than the disease on your tax dollar, and Regulations that take a phonebook to print. They are both pushing upwards towards Totalitarianism. Me - from the left - I think 100% of the Republicans are mere slave lackeys of Big Business and even as much as 95-98% of the Democrats are also in the pockets of Big Business. So it is no wonder why I am on the left. I'd like to hear Coyote give voice to the other side, in regards to how dominant Big Business is and whether Big Business cares about Small Businesses.
Let's take a deep breath and try work work towards a solution that clearly is not creeping up to that horrible Stalin-Hitler land.
We obviously have a lot in common.
Maybe we should open a thread: "Suggestions for making a government avoid Totalitarianism" or whatnot. There are at least 2 major hurdles, and if I stop typing, I'm sure many more, but the STUPID in us to be manipulated by Advertising IS a major threat to avoiding totalitarianism, along with the desire of huge vast amounts of us just want to be left the fuck alone, makes this a Daunting Task. Coyote will push for Personal Responsibility, and yes, this is valid. We do not want Welfare Cadillacs...because for the few instances of that, perhaps coupled with the other tawdry symbols of success in the crime-ridden underground city, such a flaunting of the system (The System) is ludicrous. Personal responsibility is very important. Without it nothing will happen. Hyro's test is cute. But it is flawed by the way the questions are posed. Why is the lower left the comfy green color?
I want the lucky Blue Croquet ball.
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