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Message 11 of 114 (600771)
01-17-2011 8:25 AM

Reply to: Message 8 by jar
01-15-2011 1:13 PM

Which God is on trial?

Keep in mind, also, that the God who is on trial is the God of the Bible and not necessarily the God whom we imagine to be currently reigning.

I think that its quite fair for the god of the bible to be put on trial by inquiring minds. Would it make any sense for we humans to be prohibited from asking such questions?

On the other hand, I tend to believe in a God who does not make fallible mistakes and who accurately knows the fullness of the human characters whom He sentences.

jar writes:

We were given the great gift of the tools to know right from wrong in the Garden of Eden, and we are charged to use those to judge not only our own actions but those of God as shown in Genesis 18.

Again, the key lesson in my opinion is that we learn to judge and correct, if possible, our own actions. If God exists and is prone to judge us, we can at least enter the courtroom with the internal knowledge that we have tried our very best.

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Message 12 of 114 (600772)
01-17-2011 8:33 AM

Reply to: Message 9 by iano
01-17-2011 7:57 AM

What is the source of the sin?

Iano writes:

Have you a problem with God punishing your sin? On what basis?

If I was born predisposed to sin, I would expect God to offer me a chance at learning why I need to better myself. If I was incapable of ever becoming any better, I would expect God to offer me a way out...but would still question why He had to teach me this lesson.

If the punishment was corrective, it would seem fair. If the punishment was punitive, it would seem unfair. My entire belief hinges on the reality of God being a good God...just, fair, and loving.

Were God any other way, I would most definitely complain.

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Message 15 of 114 (600776)
01-17-2011 8:47 AM

Reply to: Message 13 by iano
01-17-2011 8:33 AM

Re: Which God is on trial?

Phat writes:

Iano writes:

Cold comfort if faced with a God who doesn't take your having tried your best into consideration in pronouncing Judgement.

Is it possible to surrender and trust such a God and also try to do your very best? I dont see a conflict.

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Message 17 of 114 (600778)
01-17-2011 8:56 AM

Reply to: Message 14 by iano
01-17-2011 8:36 AM

Re: What is the source of the sin?

Iano writes:

What's unfair about punishment?

Lets discuss for a moment, shall we?

Websters writes:

punishment n 1 : retributive suffering, pain, or loss : penalty 2 : rough treatment

So we have retribution, which is essentially a payback. An eye for an eye sort of thing.

We have penalty.

Websters writes:

penalty \"pen-l-t\ n, pl -ties 1 : punishment for crime or offense 2 : something forfeited when a person fails to do something agreed to 3 : disadvantage, loss, or hardship due to some action

The question would then arise as to what the crime was. If the answer was that the crime was rejection of God, this sort of a disagreement would have to be hammered out in court, between said God and the accused. Which gets us back to the point of this movie. The prisoners felt that the God whom they worshiped was being unfair.

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Message 91 of 114 (601253)
01-19-2011 1:51 PM

Reply to: Message 89 by Larni
01-19-2011 11:00 AM

Re: The core of iano's argument

hi Larni.

so would you create your children downloaded with everything they needed to know or would you consider the learning process important?

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