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Panda
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Message 28 of 114 (600865)
01-17-2011 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by iano
01-17-2011 2:11 PM


iano writes:
For example: what obligation would God have ( him being the sustainer of everything) to support the life of a man for longer than He desires to do so? For longer than it takes to serve the purpose He gave the life for?
So, if I was to kill someone then that wouldn't be me killing them. It would be god no longer sustaining them.

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Panda
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Message 34 of 114 (600882)
01-17-2011 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by iano
01-17-2011 3:28 PM


iano writes:
What would prevent you killing them except his restraining your desire to sin?
When someone goes to kill an innocent baby, god purposefully enables them to kill the child.
God takes an active part in the death of that child.
Without god's role in the event, that baby would have survived.
Your god intentionally kills innocent people. Nice.
iano writes:
No get out of jail card there I'm afraid.
No, there isn't.
Your god is an abomination that only a sociopath could worship.

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Panda
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Message 42 of 114 (600894)
01-17-2011 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by iano
01-17-2011 4:32 PM


iano writes:
It's sin that enables them. God's restraint may prevent. That's the theology you need to deal with - not one of your own imagining
You said that your god is the sustainer of everything.
If he chooses not to sustain the life of an innocent child then he is enabling the murder to commit the act.
Your theology identifies your god as a mass murderer of innocent people.
These are your statements I am explaining to you.
If your god decides who lives and who dies, then he must have decided that millions of innocent people had to die.
And worse still, millions of not-so-innocent people have been killed before they had a chance to redeem themselves.
Your god says "You have sinned! But before you can truly seek forgiveness I will allow another sinner to kill you."

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Panda
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Message 44 of 114 (600909)
01-17-2011 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by iano
01-17-2011 5:38 PM


iano writes:
Enable :to make able; give power, means, competence, or ability to; authorize.
God not acting to prevent doesn't enable. To enable would be to make positive contribution to... Sin is what makes positive contributon to - not God.
You missed a bit: Enable: 2. to make possible.
Murdering innocents is made possible by your god deciding to not intervene.
And if, as the ultimate authority, he chooses not to sustain the life of an innocent, then he is authorising their death.
Your god allows, condones, permits, helps, authorises and enables innocents to be murdered; millions of innocents.
iano writes:
I'm not dealing with babies/idiots in this thread
But I am.
The holocaust involved the deaths of many babies.
Your god wanted them to be killed - if he didn't, he would have prevented it. Or many he couldn't care less.
Is there some reason you are afraid to talk about your god killing innocents babies?
Is it because you cannot justify your god's behaviour?

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Panda
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Message 53 of 114 (601001)
01-18-2011 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by iano
01-18-2011 4:36 AM


iano writes:
Allows - check
Condones - uncheck
Permits - check
Helps - uncheck
Authorises - uncheck
Enables - uncheck
Condones: to allow, accept or permit. Check.
Permits: Check.
Helps: condoning an action is helping*. Check.
Authorises: to grant clearance for. Check.
Enables: to make possible. Without god, nothing is possible. Check.
I see that you are still too scared to discuss your god murdering babies during the holocaust.
That says as much about you as it does about your god.
Clearly you have no argument, else you would be posting it with the same glibness with which you claim that genocide is deserved.
*e.g. I helped my nephew learn to ride a bike by not holding the bike upright.

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