Inductive Atheism

Hi Straggler.Ok, well, that's a little different than bluegenes falsification test, which says to provide a (fairy) or any SB to falsify it.You're looking for another (source) of such concepts?Well, can a concept be derived from nature? Or animals? Can we pick up on real events that might lead us to believe (despite our imagination) that SB exist?Or is that just our imagination making things up to suite or biased view? What do you mean by this Straggs?------------------------------------------------------------------------------BTW, I also have a high confidence theory Straggs.It says that all known Atheists are a product of the human imagination since the human imagination is the only known source of SB's.Can you think of another known source besides the human imagination being the reason Atheists exist if the human imagination is the only known sourse of SB's?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Strange.So, you're an atheist because "the human imagination is the only known source of SB'S" which basically says it's a made up phenom and atheists are taking a stance against this "made up" phenom resulting in atheism.If that's not true how did anyone become an atheist before this assertion form people that SB's existed?Did atheists just one day say "well, in the very distant future I suppose one day a human being will make up a delusion that SB's exist (how they know this no one knows). Im taking an offensive appoach to this and declaring before the unknown person declares that unknown SB's are real that these are products of the human imagination and not real".So, if your not an atheist because of the product of the human imagination ( which you say is the only known source of SB's) then, why are you?Is there some other evidence of SB's other than the human imagination that you are aware of that would falsifiy this theory and cause you to become an atheist for some other reason than where it originated and continues to dwell, in the human imagination?If ALL people believe in god(s) via the imagination the only way a person can become atheist is by believing that the human imagination made it up. How else could they? If you are atheist for someother reason then it must be against something outside of the human imagination where god(s) only exist. What is it? Is there some other valid evidence that would cause an atheist to become an atheist other than where god(s) only exist, the imagination?IOW, if you are atheist it's because of, the human imagination, if it's the only source of SB's. You are not A-theist you are A-imagination. You're not against god(s) your against imagination, since imagination is the "only known source of SB's".Therefore, you are atheist because of the imagination, hence a product of it. Why else?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Not really. Im not the profound type.It just makes sense atheists are A-gainst the idea of god(s) becuase the human imagination made them up. So, it's not god(s) there against but the imagination.Why stop at god(s)? Why not attack other parts of the imagination and be against that too? Why only god(s)?

No, not at all. I actually believe in a God. You don't. You look at it all the same, I don't. I don't believe in Thor because He hasn't proved himself to be real (to me). I have a real God. I have a sifter to sort that out. I don't look at all god(s) the same but you do.All you have is a total dismissal of what you believe the human imagination made up, (which is god(s) not me.Again, why just pick god(s) and not other parts of the imagination? Why stop at god(s)? Why the big campaign against made up god(s) of the imagination? and not other thing the imagination makes up?

That a good queastion, you tell me? Is there a A-purple spotted intangible turtle orginization? This is getting off point tho. I know some people think Atheism is a form of religion, which it may but im not sure there are non-stamp collecting orginizations either My point is, if SB's are products of the imagination then the imagination is the key, not the SN.Why are there no A-imaginists? Why dwell on theism?-----------------------------------------------------------------------------Also Straggler, I wanna bring myself down to your level for a second for arguments sake and suspend what I think I know, (which isn't much).Is the imagination such a bad thing? Lots of good has come from the imagination. Inventions to many to count. Sexual positions that we're never once conceivable and so on. The have all enhanced our way of life.Maybe, those thoughts and imaginations are not our own. It's atleast as good as bluegenes theory, just the opposite. Both provable and falsifiable by an entity. Works for me. I say the imagination CAN be a good argument for SB's.Im trying to work the imagination in here as viable, since it's viable for disproving it should be viable also for proving IMO.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

bluegenes, are you an A-imaginist? Like I asked Straggler, Why dwell on theism?Oh, and thanks

Can you tell me the amount of followers the wibbidoos have? What is their main doctrine? What is it based on? Where can I find out more about this group...can you provide a link? A church/building? Testimony from thousands of different individuals claiming the same thing?I of course know you can't so, it's a lame argument to make.

I think that was started as a joke, in reference to God(FSM), Amen(R'amen) etc etc wasn't it?I have a lot more questions on the FSM faith but for now...

Well, the wibbidoos. are you saying you were using that as an example to show that you just used your imagination to make up a religion? So the wibbidoos aren't real? Well, it would be easier to see their doctrine and what they stole from the Bible, like all other religions and then use THAT to disprove it as another mystery religion like horus, osiris and the rest of the fakes out there, including the wibbidoos that you made up to prove god(s) arent real, for some reason. All religions are sprinkled with little "truths". Mostly stolen from other religions, mainly Christianity. It would just bolster the belief in a particular religion if they did have a good amount of followers etc.The quran is filled with matrial stolen from Christianity. How do they know who Jesus even is? From the Bible, that's how. Not necessarily, but it does lend credence to an extent.

Wow, incredible. So you just took down 2ooo plus years of christianity and old testement beliefs because you made up a group called the wibbidoos.How does it feel to posses such power? I havn't seen enough evidence of the wibbidoos to exist yet, unlike christianity where the evidence is plentifull. Huh? You don't see why so many people testifying about Jesus means something? Yes Jesus. That he is alive. Im not aware of any other God that rose from the dead and is alive today. Jesus seperates himself from the mystery religions and all others.Again, they ALL steal from Christianity is some way, from day one. Jesus is what stands out. That is what is specific to me, Jesus.

Yeah, I am, and with Good reason, probably the same as you.Now, we just need you to see that Christianity is real and that Jesus was a real person who died for your and my sins. It's one. It's called the God-head. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The trinity is best explained IMO as a married couple. Two seperate people yet they are one. Three distinct personalities all on the same page, so to speak. Same mind, spirit, etc. Yeah, it's a good misinformation strategy the devil's using to decieve people isn't it? I couldn't agree with you more.

I don't quite understand. You say the devil has gotten me to believe in Jesus?That doesn't make any sense, so you'll have to forgive me if I dont address your attempt to sound like you know what it is you're even talking about.

Are you asking us not to discuss the matter anymore? Why? Because your an admin now you all of a sudden feel the need to break up this discussion but before felt no need to contribute?Who are we bothering here and why is it a problem to discuss what we are?Your not under your admin profile so are you as a member suggesting we move or start a new thread for nothing?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

That's your problem Straggler, you need to see everything before you can believe it, why?You know, some people actually just wake up one day and look out the window and say "look at all the evidence of a God".Isn't nature itself subjective evidence to use in the case of God(s)? Well, not ALL are the work of satan of course, many are the work of men. I think you'll agree with that right?I can't prove to you God exists in the way you are asking BUT we have subjective evidence, what good is it if you never use that evidence?You are dismissing all of it and wanting God(s) to come knoocking on your door. Why can't you take my word for it? I've experienced it and am telling you God is real.What you should be doing is asking me how I came to this conclusion and will i show you what to do that YOU can know it too. Why won't you? Are you afraid you might actually have a higher power to report to and mess up your independancy?BTW, this isn't at all about me trying to convert you, that's NOT why im here but it's a few valid questions IMO.

That's why im not using scripture. So why are you asking me to? Im trying to speak in general terms, it's not the easiest way for me to do it without using everything I know that got me to where I am.