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Omnivorous
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Message 190 of 350 (606543)
02-26-2011 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Dr Adequate
02-24-2011 5:04 PM


Re: Very interesting reading greenie lies
I turn 60 in a few months. I'm not afraid of anything.
I agree with Rahvin that nuclear power is the best current answer to climate change and the more immediate problem of fossil fuel pollution of air and water.
Nonetheless, I don't think concerns about nuclear waste storage can be shrugged off as mere NIMBYism.
The notion that radioactive waste will be stored perfectly for thousands of years by profit-driven entities who typically look no further than the next fiscal quarter seems a bit optimistic.
Supporting a global expansion of nuclear power in the face of unproven storage methods of waste (on the time scales required) makes me uneasy, although I do support it because the fossil fuel alternative is clearly catastrophic, and "renewable" energy processes aren't ready for prime-time.
I suppose, in the face of climate change and present pollution, I prefer to trust the ingenuity of future scientists and engineers in dealing with stored waste, if needed, rather than the "promise" of clean coal.
Still, even geologic storage solutions like Yucca Mountain require a confidence in our ability to predict geologic events for millenia to come.
The most germane source of nuclear NIMBYism, I think, is not a mistrust or ignorance of science but rather a mistrust of industry which is warranted by its track record.
I might lend credence to assurances from Stephen Hawking, or the persuasive and clearly knowledgeable Rahvin, for example, but I wouldn't trust General Electric anywhere near my backyard.
In fact, they devastated my regional backyard (NE) with illegally dumped PCBs and lied about it for decades.
P.S. I probably should have posted this reply to Rahvin, but I was reading through the thread and was charmed by your 60-year plan.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
-William James

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Omnivorous
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Message 192 of 350 (606546)
02-26-2011 11:58 AM
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02-26-2011 11:45 AM


Be An Atomic Greenie...but verify
That may be, Coyote, and I hope so.
But American industry and its track record with its waste products don't inspire confidence.
I don't actually doubt that science can handle the task. I'm just uneasy with how industry will implement and manage it. A better role for environmentalists than obstruction on this issue, I think, would be focusing on strict implementation of safety and storage policies.
Yet we are in an era that disdains regulation.
Still, as I said, weighing the risks of the known and the unknown, I think nuclear power is the way to go now.
And I'm way left of liberal.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
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Omnivorous
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Message 279 of 350 (606843)
02-28-2011 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Coyote
02-28-2011 3:10 PM


Re: inequality widens, gets worse for the workers
The middle class gets enormous amounts of money via the tax code that the poor cannot obtain, mortgage interest deductions being among the biggest.
Most of the poor are working poor, laboring away at jobs (often more than one) that their employers feel need not pay a living wage because there are always more poor people desperate enough to take them.
The ruling class allows the poor in America to pay little or no taxes because the alternative would eventually topple their oligarchy.
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Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
-William James

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Omnivorous
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Message 292 of 350 (606889)
02-28-2011 8:23 PM
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02-28-2011 7:46 PM


xongsmith writes:
They still have time to change the choices of their future that they have made. Unless they do, they will have to face to fact that they are really, really, pissing off 95% of this country
...
Damn!, it's fun writing for the Left. You on the Right just don't know what you're missing!! I love this country!!!
I do so love a good rant.
But it's true that you can only grind people down so far and for so long before they feel they have nothing left to lose--or become so angry they don't care about consequences.
Note that the folks in the Arab world busily overthrowing their governments are primarily young people with no prospects for jobs.
The Right gets to rant, too. But judging from their blogs, they mostly go on at length about how they would never, never have sex with Nancy Pelosi.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
-William James

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Omnivorous
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Message 294 of 350 (606920)
02-28-2011 11:54 PM
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02-28-2011 9:16 PM


RAZD writes:
The prospect of sex with a Limbaugh or Beck parrothead is not something to look forward to.
I know, right?
God, those poor sheep.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
-William James

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