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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 16 of 25 (608587)
03-11-2011 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Omnivorous
03-10-2011 7:36 PM


A god does not declare anything
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Omnivorous writes:
.... was a much better writer than god.
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Of course, as it was pointed out before, that a god or elohiym is worth less than nothing
The oracle(s) or elohiym are not Mighty One(s); they do not declare anything.
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The Unique and Ancient meaning of אל EL
That the original meaning of אל EL is THE ONE THAT DECLARES is evident since there’s no usage of the generic term for deities, elohiym, in the following samples,
אל עליון
El Elyon
The Highest One that Declares
אל שדי
El Shaddai
The All-Sufficient One that Declares
אל ישראל
El Yishrael
The One that Declares to Yishrael
אל ישועתי
El Yeshuati
The One that Declares me Winner
אל השמים
El Hashamaiym
The One that Declares from a Celestial Place
אל אמת
El Emet
The One that Declares the Truth
אל גבור
El Gibbor
The Mighty One that Declares
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This is from the writing entitled Regard Yhwh in a Qodesh [Set apart] way
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quote:
Was the word EL אל, when the bibles were translated from the Hebrew manuscripts, substituted with elohimgod(s) ?
The Scribes took the keys of the door of Scripture and hid them; nor did they enter, and those who desired to enter, they permitted them not. You, however, be precautious with serpents and innocent as doves! —— (The Tomah Gospel Paraphrased).
To be precautious; not to act hastely, seeing first in the original Scriptures the distinction between the word EL אל (a Separate word for Yhwh) and the term that is to use for calves and heathen images: god and elohimgod(s) which is a generic and common name. In a fragment from the Book of IsaYah it is cleared up:
You shall regard Yhwh as Qodesh [in a Set apart way]
[To regard separately from all common names used in the treatment given to the image of heathen, calves of deities and baalim].
[You shall regard Yhwh separately from all else; that is to regard in a Qodesh way]
There’s more evidence that in the translations at more than 2300 places of the Bible the word EL אל has been substituted with a common name for deities in the Middle east.
Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of scribes [translators of bible] you'll in no way find entrance to the kingdom that I AM.
For a pharisee or a scribe who makes copies and translates the bibles it's allegedly plain righteous to place the Qodesh [Separate One] in the same level of the image, deities and idols, utilizing the same plates of the scale of justice for both; Yhwh and the image of the heathen which is less than nothing,
by using in the translation, for Yhwh, the same generic term for deities: elohiymgod(s), which the living Word has used when referring to the image of heathen, calves of deities, elohim and baalim.
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Once one ascertains that the Hebrew word EL (THE ONE THAT DECLARES) is not the one word being used in the fragment of manuscript that says ‘baal zebub elohiym of Ekron’,
then one sees that EL ELYON has nothing to do with the habit of bizarrely consecrating the generic term elohiym [or god] whether by capitalizing it or naming it holy and divine name.
Because when there’s evidence that some scribes [or bible translators] hid the keys of the door of the original writings, so that they could keep the right ones out and let the wrong ones in, and seeing that instruction was given for one to be precautious,
then it is even more cleared up that the living Word who said: ‘..baal zebub elohiym of Ekron’ did not translate the common name elohiym as Mighty One(s).
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quote:
The original meaning of elohiym (oracles)
In the Hebrew writings of the words spoken by Yahweh one ascertains that the original meaning of elohiym is oracle(s). — When the word elohiym is translated into oracle(s) then the knowledge of the transgression of the Law is become visible since the word oracle(s) implies that the god or deity would be working up the consults to the people that will go to consult the oracle(s). That knowledge of transgression is not visible when the generic term for deities, elohiym, is translated into god or deity because the word ‘god’ does not contain the meaning that the image of the heathen and calves would be declaring anything.
You shall have no elohiym before me.
The word ‘generic’ means ‘pertaining to a genus or common class’.
The One who is Qodesh (Separate One) does not pertain to the genus of the deities. To be Qodesh is being set apart from the generic.
From the definition (of elohiym), ‘a generic designation for deities in the Middle east’, the word ‘generic’ means ‘pertaining to the genus or class of those deities’.
I AM THAT I AM ( יהוה יהוה ) has nothing to do with pertaining to a genus or class.
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The word אל EL which abbreviates ELYON
Knowing that the meaning of ELYON is HIGHEST and FROM A HIGHEST CELESTIAL PLACE, one ascertains that in the sequence EL ELYON the word אל EL abbreviates (antecipates) ELYON to let it clear that EL (THE ONE THAT DECLARES) has nothing to do with the elohiym, oracles and deities.
In the re-editions that were made for the Hebrew bible and precisely in the first five books, evidences are found that whenever the generic term for deities, elohiym, appears in reference to the Qodesh (Separate One), it appears in places where the texts were re-edited not by Mosheh but by the pen of the scribes.
Because Mosheh, when writing about his deeds, does not do it using the third person of the singular saying ‘he did’. The clues indicate that in the original manuscripts, written by the pen of Mosheh, he speaks about his deeds using the first person of the singular, ‘I did’.
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 17 of 25 (608591)
03-11-2011 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by goldenlightArchangel
03-11-2011 1:41 PM


Re: A god does not declare anything
That's all very nice...like playing with glass beads while you bandy about what to call them.
But I don't care what language you use to say it. It's still nonsense.
There is more profound human truth and understanding in one Shakespeare play (even--or especially--the comedies) than in all the religious texts in this god-benighted world. Better writing, too.
No matter how you number the pages.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
-William James

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Message 18 of 25 (608594)
03-11-2011 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
03-10-2011 6:39 PM


Re: Let's come out of this BABY
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ringo writes:
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
If you were as I AM
you would use a verse division number created by whom is of I AM
instead of using the means that were imposed under an alleged authority of an Archbishop and corrupt Cardinals.
.... I'd be glad of any number system that helped make My Holy Word™ easier to understand.
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You are really talking about a god; it's a god that would need to be believed so that it can in fact exist;
and it's a god that would need a lot of help coming from man no matter if that help comes from silly goats.
Since when did the clay become the potter
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 19 of 25 (608600)
03-11-2011 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Omnivorous
03-11-2011 2:13 PM


Re: A god does not declare anything
Omnivorous writes:
There is more profound human truth ....
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And there is more people searching for a unique celestial truth rather than the many truths of the humans
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 20 of 25 (608607)
03-11-2011 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by goldenlightArchangel
03-11-2011 3:14 PM


There are no celestial truths--the sky is empty of everything but our imaginations and the stars.
Should you think you've found a celestial truth, send it to me: I'll give it a good kick in the ass to check its antecedents, then send it back to you numbered for your non-papist index.
In the meantime, I recomend that you search for celestial truths with one hand and spit in the other.
We'll see which one fills up first.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
-William James

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ringo
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Message 21 of 25 (608618)
03-11-2011 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by goldenlightArchangel
03-11-2011 2:24 PM


Re: Let's come out of this BABY
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
You are really talking about a god; it's a god that would need to be believed so that it can in fact exist;
So, if it doesn't exist without us, it can't care what number system we impose on the words that we put in its mouth.
Edited by ringo, : Had an attack of arachnophilia and didn't capitalize the sentence.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 22 of 25 (608975)
03-15-2011 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Omnivorous
03-11-2011 3:51 PM


A reverence paid when speaking the Vatican's number to sell [the word]
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Omnivorous writes:
There are no celestial truths .. ..
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Your sentence is incomplete.
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This is the completeness of the sentence,
There are no celestial truths unless there's tangible evidence of prophecy being fulfilled in real time.
The following takes place when having a calculator in one's hand and an instruction in the other that says 'count the number of the beast',
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* In a book of 66 books there’s a book of 66 chapters;
in the first pair of 6 chapters there’s a pair of 6 verses;
find the end of this sequence
and the result will be
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From a quotation of Spotlight,
1:2
In nomine patri—filii et spiritu sanctum having feet and hands of a bear;
seeing that bears impose their right hands, never their left;
and that which has body and head of a leopard has agility to camouflage the sign of the name of its scar
cicatrix
on the foreheads of small and great, rich and poor, free and bond.
1:3 I Am who first gave name to this
segnale
And the name I gave to it is In nomine [IN THE PLACE OF MY NAME]
wounding the front of a scarlet Roman force that was, and is not, and is
sealed to go into perdition
If a wound is made in a cross-shape it does not scar.
On the day named Today the one that was and is not has the front of the head as having been deadly wounded;
and its
stigmata of wound by the sword as having been healed;
it lives in the form of reverenced ordination when one speaks a *number to sell the word with which the persons are bought
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SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
SVSEI SVTSIRHC
IESVS CHRISTVS
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ITALIAN: UNO, DUE, TRE, QUATTRO, CINQUE, SEI, SETTE
PORTUGUESE: UM, DOIS, TRS, QUATRO, CINCO, SEIS, SETE
SPANISH: UNO, DOS, TRES, CUATRO, CINCO, SEIS, SIETE
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Three sequential sixes in Hebrew Numeric Value
SVS
SUS (horse) סוס
SMEQ — 6,0
VV — 6
SMEQ — 6,0
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When the name given to the lamb, Iahveh’shua [Unction of I AM] was written by Pilate,
this was heard, Don’t write I Am but that this one says to be so.
Pilate said: What I have written is what is being given for me to write.
The reversed realm is a man’s name or the name of Vivi Sei, a she-goat that has the face of a mare and the top of its head similar to a new lamb,
and the number of its name is 6,6,6
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 23 of 25 (608976)
03-15-2011 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by goldenlightArchangel
03-15-2011 4:39 PM


Re: A reverence paid when speaking the Vatican's number to sell [the word]

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Message 24 of 25 (609063)
03-16-2011 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by goldenlightArchangel
03-15-2011 4:39 PM


Re: A reverence paid when speaking the Vatican's number to sell [the word]
Just more hooey.
I don't why you're being allowed to pile it up here.


Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
-Shakespeare
Real things always push back.
-William James

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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 25 of 25 (609108)
03-16-2011 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Omnivorous
03-16-2011 10:31 AM


Re: A reverence paid when speaking the Vatican's number to sell [the word]
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Omnivorous writes:
.. why you're being allowed
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When you have the chance to verify, through elementary math operations,
that three sequential sixes are going to be the result from counting the edges and terminations of sequence of the divisions of verses, chapters and books from a book of 66 books
then would it not be unnusual if anyone who takes advantage from an Archbishop work [that is the Vatican's numbering system to sell the word] had not often complained that to call it number of the beast is not allowed?
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