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DrJones*
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Message 61 of 127 (608340)
03-09-2011 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Artemis Entreri
03-09-2011 7:10 PM


Re: business as usual
I was born in the late 1970s, I have no idea
I suggest then that you read about your country's history and how people of similar skin color to president Obama were treated during segregation in the south.
How were Hawaiians treated in the segregated south?
How would those enforcing segregation know he is hawaiian?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
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Dr Adequate
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Message 62 of 127 (608352)
03-09-2011 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Artemis Entreri
03-09-2011 7:10 PM


Re: business as usual
Really? So if we transported obama back to the segregated south would be able to eat at the same counter as his fellow whites, drink at the same water fountain, use the same restrooms, sit at the front of the bus?
I was born in the late 1970s, I have no idea. But I do not see why not, he is white.
You don't see why not.
I am never again going to take anything you say seriously. Because you are obviously stark raving mad.
You don't see why this guy ...
... who according to you is "white" ... would not have been affected by southern segregation laws?
You really don't?
I don't know whether I should feel pity for you or simple contempt, but it's got to be one or the other.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 63 of 127 (608359)
03-09-2011 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by DBlevins
03-08-2011 6:18 PM


Re: is this just a fox bashing session?
DBlevins writes:
Link? Afaik status was determined by the states, and they differed on that determination.
True, but did even a single US state determine race based on the race of the mother? We can certainly point to historical examples where state law determined race based on the percentage of black and white ancestry.

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Message 64 of 127 (608363)
03-09-2011 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by DrJones*
03-08-2011 6:40 PM


Re: is this just a fox bashing session?
If the president had lived in Virginia prior to Loving v. Virginia, would Virginia have prevented from marrying his current wife.

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Theodoric
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Message 65 of 127 (608365)
03-09-2011 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Artemis Entreri
03-09-2011 7:10 PM


Re: business as usual
ahh pedantic as usual, i would expect no less from the likes of you.
Pedantic? You make a claim that it doesn't exist. It does exist. Nothing pedantic there.
RAZD was talking about guiliable ignorant people that idolize being guilible and ignorant. so I added one that he/she forgot, how is that hard to understand?
Another assertion. Care to back it up with a valid argument?
Gee your funny. You actually are going to try to sell the idea that Partus sequitur ventrem is some sort of cover for racism. You seem to be covering up the purpose of laws like this.
quote:
The change also gave cover to the power relationships by which white planters, their sons and/or overseers took advantage of enslaved women. Their illegitimate mixed-race children were "confined" to slave quarters unless fathers took specific legal actions on their behalf. The new law in 1662 meant that white fathers were no longer required to legally acknowledge, support, or emancipate their illegitimate children by slave women. Men could sell their issue or put them to work. Given the prevalence of white males' taking advantage of women slaves, the law resulted in numerous slaves of primarily European ancestry, as European visitors noted in Virginia by the eighteenth century.
You failed to acknowledge my comments that children of a white father and black mother were usually children of rape. Laws like this just allowed the white rapists to not to have to acknowledge these children. This was an easy thing to do because the VAST majority of mixed race children had a white father. It was only in the last century that you saw mixed race children that had a back father. They were considered black by society as a whole as is Barack Obama.
How about showing some examples from the slave era of children with black fathers and white mothers. I doubt they would have been allowed to survive birth.
You present de jure but you completely ignore de facto.
Finally you make this comment
historically though it was determined matrilineally
But can only show that this was part of the slave states and not a universal law.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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subbie
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Message 66 of 127 (608367)
03-09-2011 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Artemis Entreri
03-09-2011 7:10 PM


Re: business as usual
Theodoric writes:
In the US no matter if your mother or father was black, you were considered black. No matter how small the percentage you were still considered black. The thing is most mixed births during the slave era were of black mother and a white father. That is because the white father raped the mother. If a black man had sex with a white woman he would have probably been lynched whther it was consensual or not.
Artemis Entreri writes:
care to support this with evidence, or are you just making stuff up again?
***
what you said is fair enough, I really do not know about the other states, being a resident of Virginia, I know how it was here, and my examples thus far have been from Virginia.
Apparently you don't even know about the law in Virginia.
In 1924 Virginia passed something called "The Racial Integrity Act." The full text of it can be found here. It says in part:
If there is reasonable cause to disbelieve that applicants are of pure white race, when that fact is stated, the clerk or deputy clerk shall withhold the granting of the license until satisfactory proof is produced that both applicants are "white persons" as provided for in this act.
***
It shall hereafter be unlawful for any white person in this State to marry any save a white person, or a person with no other admixture of blood than white and American Indian. For the purpose of this act, the term "white person" shall apply only to the person who has no trace whatsoever of any blood other than Caucasian; but persons who have one-sixteenth or less of the blood of the American Indian and have no other non-Caucasic blood shall be deemed to be white persons.
Curiously, Virginia was willing to tolerate 1/16 part Indian as ok, but "no trace whatsoever" of any other blood than Caucasian.
What do you say about that, Chester?

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Briterican
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Message 67 of 127 (608480)
03-10-2011 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Artemis Entreri
03-08-2011 5:36 PM


Re: is this just a fox bashing session?
Artemis "blinded by patriotism" Entreri writes:
If you really dislike America, you know where the door is.
Guess what Mr Patriot... I went through that door 8 years ago. I love America and I don't understand where you got the idea that I don't... I was quite clear in stating that it's the "grab your guns and Bibles and come on down" part of America that turns my stomach... the hatemongering hillbillies that you apparently proudly associate yourself with. Do you realise how self-righteous and condescending you come off?
Artemis "I'm wiser than you" Entreri writes:
there was an event in USA's past that started in 1861 and ended in 1865, if you would like to read about it
WOW lol. Childishly condescending.

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Theodoric
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Message 68 of 127 (608491)
03-10-2011 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Artemis Entreri
03-08-2011 5:36 PM


Still waiting
Did you skip replying to this on purpose?
The urban industrial secular one could never survive without the other (there was an event in USA's past that started in 1861 and ended in 1865, if you would like to read about it), for the secularists to survive, the oppression of the rest of us must continue.
Please enlighten this how this has anything to do with the civil war. Also, how are "non-secularists" oppressed?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 69 of 127 (608576)
03-11-2011 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Theodoric
03-10-2011 4:13 PM


Re: Still waiting
still waiting, geez get a life. i got more shit to to than get back to posting here on the pandantic forums of we hate conservatives. I realize that you may lurk here all day and wait for the opportunity to add nothing, and demand sources from people, while calling them names, and reducing every debate to its most base level (semantics, and pedantics). but I got better shit to do.

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Artemis Entreri 
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From: Northern Virginia
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Message 70 of 127 (608577)
03-11-2011 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Artemis Entreri
03-11-2011 1:01 PM


Re: Still waiting
RAZD writes:
Can you show evidence of public union workers spreading hate rather than being the victims of it? Curiously that is the issue here.
I've seen it.
perdition writes:
I hope you were saying this sarcastically...
nope just pedantically.
drjones writes:
I suggest then that you read about your country's history and how people of similar skin color to president Obama were treated during segregation in the south.
I suggest you stay in Alberta and STFU, when you catch me talking Canadian politics (though I probably never will talk about such irrelevant stuff), then I welcome you to it.
Dr Adequate writes:
I am never again going to take anything you say seriously.
LOL ORLY?
we are finally even I gave up on you a year ago. You are the king of the Pedantics, and this is your court.
NoNukes writes:
If the president had lived in Virginia prior to Loving v. Virginia, would Virginia have prevented from marrying his current wife.
its your hypothetical why don't you answer it?
theodoric writes:
Pedantic? You make a claim that it doesn't exist. It does exist. Nothing pedantic there.
are you a fuckin retard? the link was broken, it did not work, you pedantic little bitch.
You actually are going to try to sell the idea that Partus sequitur ventrem is some sort of cover for racism. You seem to be covering up the purpose of laws like this.
strawman
You failed to acknowledge my comments that children of a white father and black mother were usually children of rape.
I failed to back up your assertions, care to back it up with valid evidence? why it is other people need to do this but you never have too. you are such a hypocrite.
subbie writes:
Curiously, Virginia was willing to tolerate 1/16 part Indian as ok, but "no trace whatsoever" of any other blood than Caucasian.
What do you say about that, Chester?
off topic. that was in regaurd to marriage, not in determination of race.
nice atttempt at quote mining though.
Briterican writes:
Guess what Mr Patriot... I went through that door 8 years ago. I love America and I don't understand where you got the idea that I don't... I was quite clear in stating that it's the "grab your guns and Bibles and come on down" part of America that turns my stomach... the hatemongering hillbillies that you apparently proudly associate yourself with. Do you realise how self-righteous and condescending you come off?
wow more name calling, you guys are funny.
I did not say that you didn't like America (you are suspiciously defensive), I did say IF you dont like America, you know where the door is. Since you do like America then it doesn't apply to you. don't be so sensitive.
you read what you want to read and then call me names, I think you are the self-righteous and condescending one here.
thoedoric writes:
Did you skip replying to this on purpose?
I asked you for evidence of your assertions, and you just ignored it. so two can play that game.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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DrJones*
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Message 71 of 127 (608578)
03-11-2011 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Artemis Entreri
03-11-2011 1:01 PM


Re: Still waiting
I suggest you stay in Alberta and STFU, when you catch me talking Canadian politics (though I probably never will talk about such irrelevant stuff), then I welcome you to it.
Ah the internet tough guy, so familar, so laughable.
I take it that this is your attempt to run from the topic?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Coragyps
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Message 72 of 127 (608579)
03-11-2011 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Artemis Entreri
03-11-2011 1:01 PM


Re: Still waiting
but I got better shit to do.
Then perhaps you should go do it?
Watch out for that doorknob on the way out.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 73 of 127 (608580)
03-11-2011 1:13 PM


I guess Iw as right about the lurkers with nothing to do but to hange out and talk shit, here its been 6 minutes since my post and two have already came from the shadows.
this place is soo predictable.
Dr Jones writes:
I take it that this is your attempt to run from the topic?
you take it as whatever you want, I do not discuss our shit with foreigners. because its none of your business.
Watch out for that doorknob on the way out.
wow nice comeback, you are so original

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DrJones*
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Message 74 of 127 (608582)
03-11-2011 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Artemis Entreri
03-11-2011 1:13 PM


you take it as whatever you want, I do not discuss our shit with foreigners. because its none of your business.
You were fine with discussing it before, why is only now that you've been shown to be ignorant of your country's history that you don't want to discuss it?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Rahvin
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Message 75 of 127 (608592)
03-11-2011 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Artemis Entreri
03-11-2011 1:13 PM


you take it as whatever you want, I do not discuss our shit with foreigners. because its none of your business.
I'm not a foreigner. I'd like to also strongly suggest that you actually read about US history. Aren't you proud of your country, Artemis? Wouldn't a real patriot want to know about the obstacles and atrocities the US has overcome, and the ones that still face us today so that we can overcome those as well?
Aren't you proud of MLK Jr and other activists who worked so hard to help America move past a major hurdle in race equality? I am.
Aren't you proud of the fact that America, in its founding and since, has risen above multiple challenges of religious persecution, managing to have a clear majority religion without actually establishing a state faith? Aren't you proud of the fact that our Constitution ensconces the value of the freedom of religion, to believe however a person;s conscience dictates regardless of how many of his neighbors agree or disagree? I am, even if we aren't perfect in holding to that value.
Aren't you proud that it's no longer socially acceptable in America to lynch people for the terrible crime of being born into a specific race, or marrying the wrong person, or being attracted to the wrong gender? Exceptions still occur of course, and those are shameful, but I'm proud of the progress we have made even as I eagerly anticipate the additional progress we will make. Aren't you?
Every stain in America's past (or of any nation, for that matter) is an opportunity to be proud when your nation rises above the problem and wins a victory for social justice and the preservation of individual rights. Don;t you want to know about those stains, and how we as a nation overcame them, so that you can be proud as well?

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