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Help me understand Intelligent Design (part 2)

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Message 6 of 173 (254939)
10-26-2005 7:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 5 by nwr
10-25-2005 9:18 AM

Application of creationist questions to ID
Not just simplicity, but absence of "extraneousity" (if I may coin a term for the existence of extraneous features).
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This mean not only no vestigial features, but no poorly functioning ones when there are better functioning system in existence elsewhere.
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Nuggin, msg 1 writes:
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But the Intelligent Design side of the debate has yet to explain their "mechanics".
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They also inherit a dumspter load of creationist challenges that also need to be explained in the ID vernacular:
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If we were designed from a monkey base then why are monkeys still around?
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If Intelligent Design makes new species out of old ones then where are the ones that show features from more than one old species - where are the "hopeful monsters" of ID?
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etc etc etc
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Enjoy.
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11-26-2005 1:07 AM 		Reply to: Message 39 by ringo
11-25-2005 11:55 PM

and ID only works in the absence of any scientific knowledge of how {it\something} works, so it is based on ignorance.
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ID also includes the necessary assumption that there actually is an {unknown} designer (instead of some unknown scientific explanation) without having any evidence or proof of the existence of one.
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this is the definition of faith.
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Thus ID is based on ignorance and faith.
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11-27-2005 4:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 43 by ringo
11-26-2005 2:49 AM

you of course realize that your position is fully exemplified by ragged's responses -- he is not looking for explanations further than god-did-it, and they are enough for him.
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Message 64 of 173 (263910)
11-28-2005 7:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 60 by Ragged
11-28-2005 2:23 PM

No no no no. That is not what I'm saying at all. You have completely misread my posts.
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or you are too busy rationalizing your responses to yourself that you do not see it?
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enjoy.
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12-05-2005 7:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 73 by Nighttrain
12-05-2005 7:11 AM

Re: ID is the Missing Link
to say nothing about expanding on the pratts in his own words ...
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12-07-2005 8:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 98 by randman
12-06-2005 6:45 PM

Re: Discovery Institute problems
lack of transitionals
sudden appearance
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starlings in america
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rabbits in australia
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observed.
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Message 116 of 173 (267049)
12-08-2005 11:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 115 by Devin
12-08-2005 9:19 PM

Welcome to the fray Devin.
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The creationists also have the "all has been corrupted since creation" excuse for all the bad designs.
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ID has no excuse for bad designs, nor for failed (extinct) designs, and the tree of evolution should be inverted for ID (all coming together into better designs)
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