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Author Topic:   Help me understand Intelligent Design (part 2)
Nighttrain
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Message 42 of 173 (263177)
11-26-2005 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Ragged
11-26-2005 1:39 AM


Pick-a-box
For a Christian Practitoiner the best explanation is that God made a conscious decision to take that persons life, because of so and so reasons.
Hypothetical situation
You have a large tumour growing on your body. Do you
*Make an appointment with a surgeon for surgery and radiotherapy
*Make an appointment with a exorcist to drive the demon/s out of your body
*Accept that God made a conscious decision to take your life
*Using ID, accept that the Designer built you that way

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Nighttrain
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Message 45 of 173 (263186)
11-26-2005 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Nuggin
11-26-2005 2:50 AM


Nominations for Pres.
O.K., Nug, let me make it a bit easier for you. Since the ID crowd keep pussy-footing around about the identity of the Incompetent Designer, I nominate the heroes of the Raelians.
http://www.rael.org/rael_content/rael_summary.php
WHAT HAPPENED?
On the 13th of December 1973, French journalist Rael was contacted by a visitor from another planet, and asked to establish an Embassy to welcome these people back to Earth.
The extra-terrestrial human being was a little over four feet tall, had long dark hair, almond shaped eyes, olive skin, and exuded harmony and humor. Rael recently described him by saying quite simply, "If he were to walk down a street in Japan, he would not even be noticed." In other words, they look like us, and we look like them. In fact, we were created "in their image" as explained in the Bible.
He told Rael that:
"We were the ones who designed all life on earth"
"You mistook us for gods"
"We were at the origin of your main religions"
"Now that you are mature enough to understand this,we would like to enter official contact through an embassy"
THE MESSAGES
The messages dictated to Rael explain that life on Earth is not the result of random evolution, nor the work of a supernatural 'God'. It is a deliberate creation, using DNA, by a scientifically advanced people who made human beings literally "in their image" -- what one can call "scientific creationism." References to these scientists and their work, as well as to their symbol of infinity, can be found in the ancient texts of many cultures. For example, in Genesis, the Biblical account of Creation, the word "Elohim" has been mistranslated as the singular word "God", but it is actually a plural word which means "those who came from the sky", and the singular is "Eloha" (also known as "Allah"). Indigenous cultures all over the world remember these "gods" who came from the sky, including natives of Africa (Dogon, Twa, etc.), America, Asia, Australia, and Europe.
Leaving our humanity to progress by itself, the Elohim nevertheless maintained contact with us via prophets including Buddha, Moses, Mohammed, etc., all specially chosen and educated by them. The role of the prophets was to progressively educate humanity through the Messages they taught, each adapted to the culture and level of understanding at the time. They were also to leave traces of the Elohim so that we would be able to recognize them as our Creators and fellow human beings when we had advanced enough scientifically to understand them. Jesus, whose father was an Eloha, was given the task of spreading these messages throughout the world in preparation for this crucial time in which we are now privileged to live: the predicted Age Of Revelation.
Nominations close on the 31-12-05. Don`t be late.

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Nighttrain
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Message 50 of 173 (263535)
11-27-2005 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by RAZD
11-27-2005 4:26 PM


Which?
you of course realize that your position is fully exemplified by ragged's responses -- he is not looking for explanations further than god-did-it, and they are enough for him.
Yes, but which god? Nominations must be accompanied by a written form of agreement, signed by the god in question. Correspondence will not be entered into.

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Nighttrain
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Message 66 of 173 (264009)
11-29-2005 5:21 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by U can call me Cookie
11-29-2005 3:40 AM


Re: Nominations for Pres.
*i would've nominated Satan, but there's no ways it couldv'e been him...could it?*
When you`re in The God Zone, you never know, Cookie.:-p

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Nighttrain
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Message 73 of 173 (265667)
12-05-2005 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by johnfolton
12-04-2005 10:35 PM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
Welcome, Golfer.Perhaps you`d like to pony up a reason why the Designer had so many creations go down the tube? Practice? Incompetence? Part of the Grand Plan?

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Nighttrain
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Message 92 of 173 (266002)
12-06-2005 5:02 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by johnfolton
12-05-2005 10:35 AM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
Its this scientific evidence thats turning Evolutionists into ID'ers.
Silly me. And here I was thinking it took brain surgery.Brain-removal surgery.

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Nighttrain
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Message 93 of 173 (266003)
12-06-2005 5:32 AM


Abio and ID
Since creos sooner or later try to steer evolution discussions around to Abiogenesis, I want to put the torch to the belly and narrow down exactly who the ID-er is. I realise you propose nothing could have been 'created' without some form of intelligence. My question is, just how much evidence do you have to the identity of this mythological being? Do you have trademarks, fingerprints, irreducible (I couldn`t help myself there)proof of identity, leftover DNA,clay tablets,fossilised lab equipment,original blueprints or any evidence apart from an educated guess? Just must have happened that way will NOT pass.

  
Nighttrain
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Message 114 of 173 (267008)
12-08-2005 8:41 PM


ID Variation
I think I might have made a breakthrough. To explain the vast number of extinct species that mainline ID-ers dodge,I propose a Host of Incompetent Designers and an Almost-Competent One. This will henceforth be known as the HID+ACO Theory. Film at 11.

  
Nighttrain
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Message 121 of 173 (267325)
12-09-2005 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by babelfish
12-09-2005 5:21 AM


Re: It's a loophole
Hi,BF, and welcome. I guess it`s all a matter of perspective. I can find all the poetry I want in the shape of DNA strands, magic in the changing composition of evolution, wonder at the remains of bacterial cohabitation in our cells, excitement as the complexity of life unfolds. These are concrete, viewable events unlike the retreat into delusion and its manifestations, attractive as they may be to a large percentage of our population.

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