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Author Topic:   Help me understand Intelligent Design (part 2)
Theodoric
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Message 148 of 173 (271734)
12-22-2005 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by johnfolton
12-22-2005 2:09 AM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
For the 10th time I will post definitions. Maybe the IDers and YEC's will read them this time.
Theory
1-A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2- An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Scientific Theory uses 1. YEC's and IDers have only heard of definition 2.
Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories
Here is what each of these terms means to a scientist:
Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.
Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity.
Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.
Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.

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Theodoric
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Message 149 of 173 (271736)
12-22-2005 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by johnfolton
12-22-2005 1:13 PM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
1) How does this support your view?
2) What the hell does the speed of light have to do with TOE or ID?

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Theodoric
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Message 153 of 173 (271755)
12-22-2005 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by johnfolton
12-22-2005 2:03 PM


Re: ID is the Missing Link
OK folks help me out here. Is there a speed of light component to TOE that I don't know about? Isn't speed of light physics, cosmology and stuff like that?
If this thread is about ID not YEC, why are you bringing about YEC points or are you trying to stray it off topic to make some sort of point?

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