Japan

I am still do not like the attitudes of many of the talking heads, and nuclear power shills continually down playing the severity of this crisis. It is just as bad in the other camp in the media exploiting this as well. What does one believe? I am no expert or academic in the field of nuclear power production. I do understand many of the points brought up about how one or two accidents decades apart with minimal body count does not constitute scrapping nuclear power as a option.I simply do not think humanity is responsible enough to take on the responsibilty of harnessing the atom for power. There are so many fucking things that can go very wrong, very fast and with very long lasting effects.Arguments for nuclear power can point out the amount of deaths from a forrest fire started by some dipshit using fire to boil water at a camp site exceeds the amount who died in Chernobyl.
But hell when a fire goes out grasses and trees grow back.
Look at Chernobyl today. That is the difference folks. imo.One can say more people die from accidents at home, so should we ban homes? Argument from absurdity.
One can say more people die from car accidents or your more likely to get struck by lightning than die from a nuclear plant fall out. etc. Really? When people die from a accident at home or a car accident they die from trauma not some incidious invisible energy cooking theyre cells. Animal life and plant life do not get contaminated. That is the difference folks. All the glossing over the death toll numbers will not change how long lasting the contamination last, and that should at least give pause to using such means to boil our water for power.Oh but the new designs are better, safer, etc.. really? is'nt that what they say about every freakin power plant that ever went online?

Hi Jar, yes trees and grass grew back, I sort of meant it tounge in cheek. Even though the trees and grass grew back the town is still a ghost town due to still high levels of radio activity.The Bikini Islands has minimal if any detectable radioactivity in the surrounding waters, but the islands fruits, particularly coconuts are still contain radioactive cesium.A forest fire even though kills more people does not pose a long term potential for contamination was my point.

very pretty, now go have a picnic there. I dare you.

Wrong...Schmong.
None of the diatribes or clever retorts mean diddly. There are multiple nuclear meltdowns in process right now.
All proposed nuclear plants past and present are deemed fail safe. Yet here we are. It is one thing to sit back behind the safety of one's arm chair google-interwebz bubble. Yet quite another to face the realities in the very place were apologist claptrap is superfulous and flat out stupidity, ie. Japanese nuclear meltdown ground zero. I am not convinced any of these so called experts know wtf is going on.Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.Edited by 1.61803, : spelling know.

go ahead. I'll pass. Why your at it go have a swim at Bikini, and perhaps a bit of sushi in Fukashima.

Just dont eat the locally grown food. Right?

Sure, I would expect no less. And as I have stated before all of my opinions are just that. So what. Nothing you say changes the reality of what is happining right now. Multiple nuclear melt downs. None of your concise, well formulated, bulletproof, logical arguments mean squat. Coal seam fires or Mexican hit squads ...so what. Annnd?
7.8 to 10 on the Earth quake scale.. how do you think those people feel right about now, that they're whole world is in ruin?The public always pays for the certainty of experts who convince us with graphs and clap trap how safe shit is, until it is deems unsafe. Then they shift the blame and begin damage control. Spare me. Wanna lick some radium paint off this perfectly safe product?

Hi, your right...But I would rather to go to St. Peters and indulge in some
Endangered Beluga caviar and champaine, while I lounge in a pair of baby seal slippers. I realize how idiotic my irrational fears are in regards to radioactive materials. Call it a lifetime of American kneejerk, hyper- indoctrination.

Hi Rahvin, I already said I am not a expert. I already said I am not a nuclear academic. I already conceded that your mention of how minor the death toll of chernobly was and how even in the face of hundreds of thousands killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. By willful use of nuclear power,
Hitler still managed to instutute geneocide. And Kill More people than was killed by H bombs.
Hypocracy and fear are common place. Yes there are a great many things that pose a far greater risk than nuclear power does. I also admit I do not know how a nuclear plant works.All I know is this, there are multiple nuclear meltdowns in progress for what ever reasons. There is a potential for loss of life and contamination on a wide scale. I am aware of the longevity of radioactive contamination, and the waste that is produced. Because I am aware of how lacks cornercutting bueracracies and corporations can ram shit through. I am thankful I live in America. Thank goodness for paranoid hippies. Otherwise there would be a corporate run nuclear plant in every city in America run with the same feckless attitudes as those on the deepwater horizon oil rig. Regardless of the emergency it seems the same attitudes and placation always seems to takes place, "this is a isolated incident." "This is a perfect storm"...etc.. well I call bull shit. The reason people are afraid of nuclear plants is well founded. They are dangerous. If they were not then wtf is going on in Japan. I assure you it isnt Godzilla.
I am not against nuclear power. I just wish more would be done to build up wind/solar and other such infrastructures. I do fear the poliferation of nuclear plants all over the U.S. This recent tragedy is not helping my fears.

No some poor irradiated sterile gardener did.

Why not both are capable of producing radio active fall out and waste contamination. But my point was even the willful use of nuclear power did not kill as many as ..hmmm for instance Hitler. tomato, tomaaato. Still both nuclear weapons capable of killing lots of people. But thanks for the correction, my bad. My point was that there are things that kill far more people other than nuclear power. A point you yourself kept making.Your pointing out my inaccuracies in the difference between a H bomb and atomic bomb are superfulous. I guess I should of used a generic term like nuclear weapon then again what do I care if you correct me. Gives you some sense of smugness does it? Yet still remains empty. in other words you know what I meant, right? But yet I sense hositlity and anger. Why? My are you butt hurt over something? If you go back to THE Post that YOU responded to ME. I did not respond to any post of yours. Are you even paying attention? Its not that hard, It is all in print right in front of you. Do any of your 2725 not make you seem like a selfabsorbed egoist fucktard? Don't bother answering.

the evc coffee house forum. Wow another butt hurt pendatic scientist or layfart like me? You do know what forum your posting in?mmmkay? Great. Preeciatateya.