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Topic: How Does Republican Platform Help Middle Class?
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Jon
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Message 9 of 440 (610276)
03-28-2011 11:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Coyote
03-28-2011 10:46 PM
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It Takes More than Buzwords...
... to convince the just that they are wrong.
wasting much of it on things that are more often contrary to the free market system. Who in the fuck gives a rat's ass about the God damned 'free market' system?
How long do you think the folks who actually create and produce things will continue to do so when most of what they create and produce is taken away by force and given to those who do neither? That's the flaw in your system. Thank God no one's proposed this, then.
Sorry to have to break this news to you, but the government does not create or produce anything. LOL. Care to back this up in any meaningful way? Jon
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Message 14 of 440 (610282)
03-28-2011 11:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Taq
03-28-2011 11:17 PM
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Re: It Takes More than Buzwords...
There is a lot to be said for a regulated free market (which seems to be a bit of an oxymoron). There needs to be protections in place for labor and environmental impacts. From what I have seen, Republicans want to remove those protections. Any and every market system is a disease and plague upon humanity and a destroyer of human rights, freedoms, and dignities.
At the same time, competition can drive effeciency and innovation. Efficiency is the evil that fuels the fires of Hell. Innovation is salt in a gashing wound. Jon
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Message 16 of 440 (610284)
03-28-2011 11:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Taq
03-28-2011 11:27 PM
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That is the Republican version of health care reform. I can see why this benefits the rich and health insurance investors, but how does this help middle class Americans? Same as the answer to the thread title: it doesn't. Jon
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Jon
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Message 19 of 440 (610287)
03-28-2011 11:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Coyote
03-28-2011 11:34 PM
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Re: Socialism?
There has to be a balance between what the government takes and what the productive keep to grow the economy and create jobs. Grow the economy and create jobs! Hallelujah! Let the wealth come a-tricklin' down... We'll all be waitin' with our mouths wide open when it gets hereif we ain't dead from thirst before then. Jon
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Message 25 of 440 (610293)
03-28-2011 11:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Coyote
03-28-2011 11:46 PM
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Music to the Ears of the Deaf
You don't want the economy grown and jobs created? What do you want, the nanny state to care for you, cradle to grave? And what are you willing to give up to get that? Keep them buzwords coming! If I get enough from you I might be able to arrange them into a little tune... buz-buz buuuuz.... buz-buz buuuuz buz-buz-buz Jon
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Message 35 of 440 (610306)
03-29-2011 12:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Coyote
03-29-2011 12:18 AM
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Re: Socialism?
Right up to the point where you have to wait six months to a year for a procedure that you can now get in weeks. The only people who get it in weeks are the ones who can pay for it; and they still get it in weeks under a universal health care system. The only difference in the universal system is that those who cannot pay get their procedure in six months... instead of never. So let's try again... Jon
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Message 37 of 440 (610309)
03-29-2011 12:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
03-29-2011 12:45 AM
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Re: Socialism?
Moving to Canada for their health care? Or Cuba? I hear they're the best! Michael Moore told me that. What in the Hell are you talking about?
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Message 55 of 440 (610388)
03-29-2011 1:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by Rahvin
03-29-2011 12:33 PM
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What is it Good For...?
Here's a clue - the United States has a lower average life expectancy, a higher infant mortality rate and a lower average standard of living than those countries. What does that mean to you, Coyote? I think it's pretty obvious... We must decrease the quality of living in the U.S.; that's easily done through legislation. We must decrease the quality of living in other countries; that's easily done through bombing the fuck out of them. We do this, because we know that once the world is a desolate shithole not even fit to be lived in by field mice, then... JESUS WILL RETURN! Hot damn! I can't wait!
Check out No webpage found at provided URL: Apollo's Temple!
Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Message 65 of 440 (610530)
03-30-2011 7:43 PM
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Proactive Health Care
A lot of the talk about health care involves discussion about doctors, clinics, hospitals, etc. However, a truly universal health care program mustn't simply be a reactive institution, where problems are only treated after they've developed; but must also be a proactive institution, involving public education and awareness of personal health, as well as legislation and taxes to better regulate the kinds of foods and products that people consume.
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Wikipedia on Trans fat: Denmark became the first country to introduce laws strictly regulating the sale of many foods containing trans fats in March 2003, a move which effectively bans partially hydrogenated oils. The limit is 2% of fats and oils destined for human consumption. It should be noted that this restriction is on the ingredients rather than the final products. This regulatory approach has made Denmark the only country in which it is possible to eat "far less" than 1 g of industrially produced trans fats on a daily basis, even with a diet including prepared foods.[78] It is hypothesized that the Danish government's efforts to decrease trans fat intake from 6g to 1g per day over 20 years is related to a 50% decrease in deaths from ischemic heart disease.[79]
When looking at other countries and their health coverage vs. cost data, I do not think we should leave out such legislation as that in Denmark and other progressive countries. One can only imagine what a 50% decrease in fatal ischemic heart disease would do to health care costs in the U.S.! Jon
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Message 76 of 440 (610554)
03-31-2011 12:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Phage0070
03-31-2011 9:30 AM
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Re: Proactive Health Care
In other words, you *could* afford healthcare insurance except you made a cost-benefit comparison and determined that it was just too expensive to be "worth it". You would have to give up too many other things to afford the cost, so you chose not to. Instead you think that you should be able to use a public service paid for in great part by taxpayers as a substitute; you want those insurance premiums that you dubbed "too expensive" to be paid for by other people who don't have a choice in the matter. Yup, this is the Republican position alright: folk who want to be healthy should have to give up everything else they own (bankrupt themselves) in order to afford the care. Jon
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Re: Proactive Health Care
If I read this right (correct me if I'm headed in the wrong direction), this is, IMO, one of the single greatest factors of going to universal health care. Individuals will be able to get their pre-emptive care in a regular facility instead of flooding the emergency room because they or their children are sick and they have no insurance because they can't afford it. That's certainly part of it, yes. But I was also thinking of other more basic things, such as eating more healthy foods, getting more exercise, avoiding excessive use of alcohol and other drugs, better safety measures in dangerous work-place environments, etc. For example, in addition to simply outlawing entirely stupid poisonous additives to food (like trans fat), a 250% tax on 'junk food' (including McDonald's) could very likely ameliorate many of the country's health problems related to poor diets and nutrition. Jon
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Message 80 of 440 (610559)
03-31-2011 12:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Phage0070
03-31-2011 12:07 PM
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Re: Proactive Health Care
Or are you still just pitching the idea that other people should be forced to pay to keep you healthy? Public health is a public good.
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Message 92 of 440 (610571)
03-31-2011 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Phage0070
03-31-2011 12:13 PM
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Re: Proactive Health Care
I would agree, so buy some fucking insurance. Any way you cut it you are not carrying your weight. LOL. Do you even know what a public good is?
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Jon
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Easiest to just make a link with the URL. The standard URL is this:
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?control= To that you can add information for the MID to link to the specific message. So if the MID is 579677, you would add:
msg&m=579677 ... to get:
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?control=msg&m=579677 Which can be used in a named link to Moose's proposal to limit posting frequency. Jon
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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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Message 190 of 440 (611099)
04-05-2011 12:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 173 by marc9000
04-04-2011 7:53 PM
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Do you have evidence to back up any of the stuff you are saying?
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