How New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others

Ask Buzsaw.

Well, I keep on seeing people on the internet saying (in effect): "You wouldn't be annoyed at what I'm saying about you if it wasn't true."And I think that despite our differences, you and I have some things in common, and we should both be against that particular psychotic line of reasoning.Because if we go down that particular rabbit-hole it doesn't even matter what we say to one another.

i dunno about that. you haven't read the epic "downwind" thread over at TR. and my genesis 1:1 thread is getting pretty close.

Here's the deal, relative to my OP. The modern term, fundamentalist/fundi is being misconstrued from it's meaning.What the term means is to follow the fundamentals of the text; in this case, New Testament Christian fundamentals. The modern usage of it is obfuscating it, misconstruing it with evangelicalism.Some nations like in England, New Zealand, and some Scandinavian nations, for example are not evangelistic but do ascribe to the fundamentals of the New Testament. So literally, they are protestant NT fundamentalists.The founders and American protestants, including our founders, by and large, whether evangelical or not, have practiced the tennants of the Biblical NT fundamentals and most of the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament, whereas RCC atheists and others have not. However, Even atheists like Cavediver and other good people here at EVC have been highly influenced by those NT fundamentals and the Ten Commandments.The difference is that in nations which do not have NT fundis and for that matter, evangelicals, are not subjected to the pressure to follow those fundamentals.Even good folks like Cavediver, other atheists and agnostics here at EvC have, for the most part parents or grandparents who have highly influenced how they live in the US and other protestant fundamentalist nations.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I am sure he will respond.

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"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. ThompsonAd astra per aspera

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My OP points were not pertaining to specific exceptions.

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Well you may claim that the assertions in the OP represent general truths but you are a long way from proving it. You've only one questionable example of a "fundi nation" and you haven't shown how "New Testament Fundi Christians" are responsible for the freedom or prosperity in even that one case.So it seems to me that you are demanding that your assertions be accepted as true unless disproved despite the fact that you have yet to make your case. Unfortunately for you this forum does not work like that - you do not get special privileges. You have to make your case like everyone else.

Oh, I've read "downwind faster than the wind". It's a subtle point. And it's got nothing on "If you weren't a child molester you wouldn't object to me saying that you molest children".Or, to put it another way: "If that does not encompass you then it should be of no consequence to you."Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Thanks Buzz,Your view on what a fundamentalist is might be important to someone other than myself also.Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. ThompsonAd astra per aspera

How do "New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others"?Evidence Buz, where is the evidence?AbE:Were the Puritans Fundamentalists Buz?Edited by jar, : ask about the Puritans

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

And of course, what those fundamentals are differs between christians. "Liberal" christians do not see an inerrant literal Genesis as one of those fundamentals, nor do they see the need for laws that enforce biblical commands. Fundamentalist christians differ on both counts.

You should learn what "objective" means. I haven't taken a position against your OP. I'm quite willing to accept your premise if you can show any evidence. I know they weren't. That's my point. You're saying the equivalent of, "The majority of people in the U.S. are black and the ones who happen to be white have no effect on that conclusion."The fact is, your conclusion is worthless unless you can explain the exceptions. Roman Catholicism is by far the largest denomination in Canada as a whole.

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If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

If the United States has been a prosperous nation, it more due to geography than to religious beliefs.Consider the following:
1. a whole continent, rich with diverse natural resources;
2. plenty of fertile land that people armed with diseases and more advanced technology can take away from the existing inhabitants;
3. oceans on two sides and much weaker and relatively friendly and weaker nations on the other two, so invasion has never been really much of a risk.Just those factors alone make it hard to imagine this country not becoming prosperous. I'm of course ignoring a huge number of other historical factors, such as the vast expansion of industrial productivity with our entry into World War II (or what I like to call the second half of the Great 20th Century War), or the fortunate happenstance of the Industrial Revolution coming at just the right time to help accelerate national expansion westward. The proportion of Protestants in the national population - always a minority, anyway - doesn't seem to be nearly as important as the incredible fertility of the central states or the creation of a coast-to-coast rail network in the 19th century.

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Hi Hidrglyphx. Thanks for weighing in. Somehow I missed your post due to the fast accumulation of posts and so little time at the computer.As for the differences, nevertheless, the Biblical fundamentalist New England Primer
was used in colonial days and for over a century after the founding.

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Many of its selections were drawn from the King James Bible and others were original. It embodied the dominant Puritan attitude and worldview of the day. Among the topics discussed are respect to parental figures, sin, and salvation. Some versions contained the Westminster Shorter Catechism; others contained John Cotton's shorter catechism, known as Milk for Babes; and some contained both.

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Nevertheless, do you deny that Thomas Jefferson presided over the education board which sanctioned the Bible and Watts Hymnal as text books in the public schools of Washington DC?My point is that the Biblical fundamentals were the moral underpinnings of free and prosperous nations. These fundamentals affected the majority of the citizens, be they secularistic, RC or Protestants. Even Thomas Jefferson, deist lived by those fundamentals and recognized their values in the public schools. That doesn't diminish the influence of the Biblical fundamental underpinnings of free and prosperous nations. Sadly, in recent decades, freedom and prosperity has been on the decline as our citizens increasingly reject those fundamentals. Crime, immorality, overcrowded prisons, health issues related to morals, socialism etc escalate as Biblical fundamentals wane. You don't have to reinvent the past to understand the difference in nations like the USA, whose underpinnings are largely Biblical fundamentals and say, Muslim theocratic nations, Nazi Germany, secularistic communist nations and Mexico etc.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

And what exactly ARE these fundamentals that you keep going on about? Please name for me one exclusively "Fundamentalist" moral trait or principle that has contributed to increase in life expectancy, income, or education level, to name but a few. Note that I said EXCLUSIVELY, because for your argument to work, these have to be principles that don't exist in any other belief (or non-belief) system.While you're at it, please show me where these explicitly Biblical principles appear in the Constitution of the United States. That's the document that deliniates how the US is supposed to work as a nation, that and no other.Like so many other people, Buz, you keep mistaking a nation with a population that is predominantly Christian, as this one was at its founding and continues to be, and a Christian nation. A Christian nation would have to be Christian in the same way that Isreal is a Jewish nation or Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation; that is, it would have to have specifically religious laws as part of its legal system. The last time I checked anyway, making a graven image or coveting my neighbor's ass isn't a federal offense.

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I have no time for lies and fantasy, and neither should you. Enjoy or die.
-John LydonReality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven ColbertI never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

Hi Zen. Good question. I can cite more than one.

Those are a few that come to mind and I'm sure there are others.Though some of the above are not practiced by all in our nation, there are enough who do to a. receive the blessings of the Biblical god, Jehovah and b. influence the population at large.Hitler's Nazi Germany, for example, cursed and killed the Jews, Jehovah's chosen. The people lost their freedoms and prosperity after having departed from Biblical fundamentals and being deceived by a tyrant.The US is currently sliding down that slippery slope and on the decline.Another example: Muslim nations populations surrounding Israel, calling for their demise and fighting them are neither free nor prosperous. Their prophet Mohammed called for waring against their enemies and those who despitefully use them whereas Jesus taught loving and doing good to one's enemies and those who despitefully use them.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.