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arachnophilia
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Message 68 of 142 (613491)
04-25-2011 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tram law
04-24-2011 12:34 PM


Tram law writes:
This passage is both true and misleading and dishonest.
actually, i would debate it's truth value entirely. for instance,
quote:
The presuppositions that enabled a scientific approach to investigating the worldthat the created universe is real, consistent, understandable, and possible to investigate, for examplecame from the Bible.
is just an outright lie. the bible says no such things, and indeed portrays a natural world that obeys the every whim of god. god is in charge of everything:
quote:
Who hath cleft a channel for the waterflood,
or a way for the lightning of the thunder;
To cause it to rain on a land where no man is,
on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
To satisfy the desolate and waste ground,
and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
Hath the rain a father?
Or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
Out of whose womb came the ice?
And the hoar-frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
The waters are congealed like stone,
and the face of the deep is frozen.
Canst thou bind the chains of the Pleiades,
or loose the bands of Orion?
Canst thou lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season?
Or canst thou guide the Bear with her sons?
-- Job 38
etc. it goes on like that, for two chapters, about how god is in charge of everything, and how stupid and little mankind is in comparison.
this is not a "real, consistent, understandable" universe. it's one run by a god who will temporarily suspend the apparent rules to do stuff like lead his people of slavery, or destroy the entire planet, or whathaveyou.

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arachnophilia
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Message 70 of 142 (613510)
04-25-2011 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Tram law
04-25-2011 5:31 PM


Tram law writes:
That creates a huge problem and trap. If God is in charge of everything, , then that means he is responsible for all evil on this planet and kills thousands of people in earthquakes and other natural disasters.
um, yes. that is true. ... have you read job? that's more or less what it's about: god being unjust.
And that means he is not a kind and loving God, nor is he a perfect God, and is indeed petty, killing hundreds of thousands of people each year just on a whim.
...have you read any of the bible? god kills everyone on the planet on a whim. god kills all the first born sons on egypt (including infants!) just to prove a point. god says he's a jealous and wrathful god. and sends his own people into slavery and exile because of it.
i mean, he still loves you, and all.
Why would anyone serve a being like that?
fear. duty. ownership. any of those reasons are valid.

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