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Hyroglyphx
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Message 20 of 98 (614195)
05-02-2011 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by frako
05-02-2011 6:42 AM


There was a conspiracy theory floating around that bin laden is only an invention that he does not truly exist. Never gave that theory a second thought until today
Supposing for a minute that the image of the man associated with Osama was in fact an invention of the US, one has to consider that this person was in hiding for over a decade. Remember, bin Laden only became a household name AFTER 9/11. This man is ALSO responsible for the original WTC attack as well as several other attacks against US assets.
So if Osama was not real, then who is the real guy he is portraying on various media clips? Whether it was Osama or a guy posing as Osama, SOMEONE had to be in hiding. Now, honestly, what Arab has the dedication to remain in hiding playing a game of pretend for almost 20 years?
Secondly, if Osama and Al Qaeda are really just a giant false flag conspiracy, then who in the hell have we been actually fighting with for a decade now? I suppose that's all fake footage filmed in Roswell, NM....
when all they gave us again was a picture of a shot osama and told us they dropped his body in to the ocean. It is a kind of strange thing to do
Not strange at all if you consider why. The US did not want to hand over his body. But Islamic culture demands that a body be buried within 24 hours of death with no embalming solution. The only other acceptable way is a burial at sea. But according to several high profile Imams, they're pissed about that too.
Cry me a river.
the us had no right to bury his body the bin laden family does
Maybe the US felt that he had no right to slay nearly 3,000 people over the course of 2 decades.
thirdly it took hours for the past president to announce that they caught the other guy from Iraq, DNA testing dental comparison
The US would have preferred taking him alive, but he and his body guards resisted in a 40 minute gun battle. He wasn't walking out of there alive. That was his own choice. We also don't know all the details yet. I'm sure they took DNA samples among other things that are reasonably going to be classified, just like the 2 week mock mansion they built in preparation of the actual operation.
The guy has been dead just around 24 hours now. Give it a little more time before you start crying conspiracy.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 21 of 98 (614196)
05-02-2011 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Phat
05-02-2011 10:19 AM


Re: So what does it mean?
The US media and the government are milking the publicity in the hope of winning a propaganda battle. Realistically, it means very little from a strategic perspective. Our foreign policy objectives have angered more people than they have appeased, and if anything, Bin Laden will be seen as a martyr on the other side. For all we know, he simply gave up and was waiting for the inevitable.
I completely agree. Al Qaeda was operating without his day to day leadership. They are autonomous and this only appeases those who sought retribution as some kind of closure for 9/11. Nothing is really changed.
If you seriously want that kind of foreign policy change, vote for Ron Paul. It should be bleedingly obvious at this point that Obama is the status quo, not "change we can believe in."

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 25 of 98 (614202)
05-02-2011 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Rahvin
05-02-2011 4:11 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
Rahvin writes:
If you seriously want that kind of foreign policy change, vote for Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is a libertarian Randroid. The staus quo would be better. Hell, Bush again would be better.
All improvements are changes, but not all changes are improvements.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 28 of 98 (614210)
05-02-2011 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Rahvin
05-02-2011 4:11 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
Page not found - LewRockwell.com

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 32 of 98 (614224)
05-02-2011 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Rahvin
05-02-2011 7:44 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
What the fuck ever. Paul is a fucking crank, his economic policies would drive the country into the ground.
Oh, yes, because CLEARLY the status quo has been doing a bang up job all these years in avoiding just that!!!
I don't want to derail this thread anymore than it has been already. If you'd like to rant about Ron Paul elsewhere, I'll happily follow you in a new thread.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 60 of 98 (614503)
05-04-2011 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Trae
05-04-2011 6:26 AM


Re: Armed men shoot unarmed man in front of wife and children
That title seems to be possibly minimizing the situation. Are the reports of the wife rushing them not correct? How are people to know if the compound is or is not rigged to blow? Or where guns may be stashed? How much risk is it fair to ask the ground forces to take so that someone not cooperating might live? What help might OBL have received from the neighboring area?
The White House released a statement of clarification, stating that bin Laden did not use his wife as a human shield, and that by the time the SEAL's engaged him, he was unarmed. They shot him in the head anyways.
This was, allegedly, after a fierce battle with OBL's body guards and courier, who were armed.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 61 of 98 (614508)
05-04-2011 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Dr Jack
05-04-2011 12:34 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
We did not pursue him to justice; instead we assassinated an enemy leader.
Personally, I'm happy he's dead. The world is a better place for that. But I'm profoundly bothered that the US chose to kill him rather than bring him to justice.
Yeah, I don't really know why they opted to kill him versus taking him in to custody and interrogating him.
This whole debacle of having no real proof of said assassination is creating a conspiracy theorists play ground. It's like dousing gasoline on fire.
And I'm bothered that the US chose to carry out a special forces mission in the sovereign territory of an ally to do so.
That's the other burgeoning question the US has right now. Pakistan seems to be a fairweathered ally. I think the reality is that much of Pakistan is an ally and much of it is not. I'm fairly certain Al Qaeda has people on the inside of the ISI who have tipped him off before.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 81 of 98 (614735)
05-06-2011 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by DevilsAdvocate
05-04-2011 8:34 PM


Re: Armed men shoot unarmed man in front of wife and children
Sorry I really don't have any sympathy for this guy.
I wasn't suggesting that you should, I was just answering the question asked.
You can't blame them for taking him out especially after the adrenaline fueled fire fight with the body guards and his wife rushing at them. Even highly trained professionals like the Navy Seals are not going to put there lives on the line in hopes that Bin Laden was not armed.
We just don't have the luxury of the same insight that they had as boots on the ground in the middle of a goddamn firefight. Still, I wonder why they didn't make more of an effort to take him alive. I would have thought that all this GTMO interrogations of low-level insurgents would pale in comparison to the big fish.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 95 of 98 (615517)
05-13-2011 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Trae
05-08-2011 6:24 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
Trae writes:
Hyroglyphx writes:
This whole debacle of having no real proof of said assassination is creating a conspiracy theorists play ground. It's like dousing gasoline on fire.
What evidence would have been enough?
To quell conspiracy theorists, nothing. No amount of evidence sways those yahoos. But for me, a picture of the body would suffice.
http://www.hulu.com/...e-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-faceoff
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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