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Briterican
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Message 10 of 98 (614171)
05-02-2011 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by frako
05-02-2011 6:42 AM


Grrrr @ the polarising nature of this issue
Dr A and Rahvin have adequately dealt with the conspiracy notions (laughable) that will come from this, and the legitimacy of handling of the body.
It is true that the official describing the burial at sea remains unnamed, but I am in total and complete agreement with comments above that this was appropriate, in order to prevent any gravesite as serving as a shrine of sorts. Hopefully the entire Arabian Sea won't now serve that purpose lol.
I am exhausted from a day of debate on Facebook with family members... I expressed (early on) my sense of disgust at the dancing-in-the-streets, Yee-haw attitude many of them had about this. Make no mistake, he was a bad guy and needed taking out, but to engage in mass celebrations and joyfully proclaim "Hallalujah" is just... disgraceful.
One of my cousins (in America, I am in the UK) posted his similar unease with this, saying that it was sort of an "Americanised Allahu Akbar" taking place... and I think that's a fair assessment.
I don't question people's happiness and jubilant reaction, I too felt a brief sense of victory and pleasure upon first hearing the news. However it only took me about 30 seconds to realise that there is something inherently wrong about celebrating the death of another. Yes yes yes... I know he was a monster... but he was a HUMAN monster... and I don't celebrate the death of fellow humans, I just don't. I hated Billy Graham with a passion but I didn't celebrate in the streets when he died lol.
Anyway, this issue proved polarising throughout the day for my family, some of whom ended up in tears. The right-wingers seemed ready to pounce anyone that said anything that wasn't drenched in red-white-and-blue sauce. My brother insulted me in a dozen ways before removing me from his friend list on Facebook. And all I said was "This doesn't really change much, and I find the dancing-in-the-streets reaction distasteful." - to which he unloaded on me, saying "the UK is doing you wrong... what are you thinking" and "9/11 ... so shut up" lol (which reminded me of the Family Guy where Lois got elected mayor simply be spouting off "9/11" in response to every query.)
So... I'm a bit unhappy as the day comes near to a close, unhappy that American politics has become so polarised that one cannot apparently hold an independent opinion that doesn't fall in lock-step with one of the two major parties without somehow being branded either "a traitorous liberal" on the one hand, or a "flag-waving sycophant" on the other.
I sleep now, happy that UBL is gone, but fully realising that the world is NOT somehow a safer place.
Edited by Briterican, : No reason given.
Edited by Briterican, : Too eager to comment initially, took my time now.

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Briterican
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Message 19 of 98 (614192)
05-02-2011 3:50 PM


Let's not stoop to their level
"USA! USA!" is the wrong response | Salon.com
"When we lose the sadness part -- when all we do is happily scream "USA! USA! USA! at news of yet more killing in a now unending back-and-forth war -- it’s a sign we may be inadvertently letting the monsters win."

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Briterican
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Message 64 of 98 (614526)
05-04-2011 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dr Adequate
05-04-2011 6:01 PM


UBL dammit
Obama has played it right IMHO. Announce that you are not going to release the photos as doing so would appear insensitive to some and could inflame feelings. Meanwhile, the photos leak anyway.
Besides... I suspect you and many others would agree, anyone that doesn't accept the truth of his demise at this point is just deluding themselves. Every political organisation/nation on the planet that has been sought out for a quote on this has said either something along the lines of "It's a good thing he's gone" (99.99%) or "We condemn the execution of this holy warrior" - Hamas.
To those who think the photos would prove something, the people who don't want to believe this still wouldn't do so with a recognisable corpse at their feet.
PS I wish people would call him UBL - it's what the CIA call(ed) him before they renamed him after a native American, and it just looks better.

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Briterican
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Message 73 of 98 (614664)
05-05-2011 5:41 PM


Oh FFS... Martyr's Sea my ass
The other day I said this...
Briterican writes:
...in order to prevent any gravesite as serving as a shrine of sorts. Hopefully the entire Arabian Sea won't now serve that purpose lol.
... and today I read this...
Osama Bin Laden dead: Radical Muslims name burial location 'Martyr's Sea' | Daily Mail Online
quote:
"Radical Muslims are already calling the site of Osama bin Laden’s ocean burial the ‘Martyr’s Sea’, according to one of Britain’s leading Islamic scholars.
The US said the decision to drop bin Laden’s body into the North Arabian Sea was taken to avoid creating a shrine for the slain Al Qaeda chief.
But Abdal Hakim Murad, Muslim Chaplain at Cambridge University, claimed yesterday that the move could backfire on the Americans."
UGH.

  
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