Support for Louisiana repeal effort

A bill is gaining support to repeal Louisiana's antievolution law. link

Shouldn't this be a state issue and left to the Louisianans determine for themselves?

In what way? Do you mean that Louisiana should deal with its own legislation through its own courts and legislature and voters? If so, then that's exactly what will happen here, at least at first.If you mean that everyone outside the state should shut up, well...there's this thing called "free speech," and it crosses state lines. I guarantee Creationists from out of state are paying attention and funneling money and support into this. Why shouldn't we?Of course, since establishment of a state religion via the endorsement of religious dogma like Creationism and Intelligent Design would in fact be a violation of the US Constitution, this can very well head all the way up to Federal court, where it would most certainly NOT be a State issue any more.

In what way in that taking the petition to national levels. I believe states should stay out of other states businesses. It should be left to the Louisianans to discuss what they want to do with it. Making a petition available on the internet brings it to a national level.With such groups such as The American Institute for Biological Sciences, that also can have the potential to bring it to a national level as well.But this is a slippery slope argument.

Again, free speech does not stop at state lines. I'm free to express my opinion of the Louisiana law, just as you are. If I want to express my speech by donating money or time to a group supporting or against a Louisiana law, I'm free to do so. I just don't get to actually vote within the state of Louisiana.You're arguing a principle that has literally zero basis in law. Why do you think people outside of a state should remain silent about what happens within that state? Especially when the "state" issue has Constitutional implications, like this one?

So state should be allowed to not follow the Constitution? So if a state wants to legalize slavery it is ok? I mean slippery slope and all. The slippery slope is a horrendous argument to make. Unless you can back it up with facts of course. Fallacy: Slippery SlopeI am not picking on you or trying to be rude. I just don't seem to agree with anything you post.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Because, really, it's none of their business.And how does this issue, of removing anti-evolution laws, effect the Constitution and other laws based on the constitution?

You're now my stalker.Stop posting to me.And yes, you are. Stop posting to me. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Federal law and the Constitution is the business of all US citizens. Separation of church and state issues. It goes against settled precedent.Research First Amendment and establishment clause.

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the Livingston Parish and Tangipahoa Parish school board members have discussed using the LSEA to teach creationism. In July 2010, the Livingston Parish School Board instructed staff to study this for the 2011-2012 academic year. The March 15 Tangipahoa Parish School Board minutes show that LFF operative Darrell White approached the Curriculum Committee about the law. School boards are being tempted to risk lawsuits when teachers face layoffs because of budget cuts!

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Read the link provided in the OP.ABE
And I will reply to any of your posts that I feel deserve a reply.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

I didn't ask you nor was I talking to you. Stop posting to me and get out of my face. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

You have got no real rebuttal?If you don't want certain people to reply to your post you shouldn't be on a forum. If you don't want to answer someone just ignore their post, but your post just seems to say you don't any real rebuttal to his replies. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Stop putting words in my mouth and stop saying crap like this.Theodoric has been very rude to me and been in my face since he started insulting me over not using the reply button. Because of this I have no interest in discussing or debating anything with him, especially since he's so dishonest about debating.He is posting to every single post I make ever since. Every single one of them.And he should stop now.Because in doing so he is putting pressure on me to make these kinds of responses. Of course it makes me look bad, but in short it derails the threads and he needs to stop.If I ignore them others will just put more pressure on me to respond to them. and I will be the one who's seen as being disruptive when in fact he is. And eventually i will be banned even though he started this whole nonsense of his.I want to discuss things with other people, and he is being disruptive to that in his efforts to drive me off of this forum.And again, I apologize to the forum for my behavior. But the only way it'll truly stop is if he stops posting to me and stop being disruptive when I am talking to other people. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

So? I can exercise my free speech regarding things that aren't my business all the time. Why should a state line make any difference with regard to that?Do you hate free speech, Tram? See the Dover trial, Tram - anti-evolution laws are not religiously neutral, they are universally derived from religious dogma and as such constitute a State endorsement of a religion, and as such are a violation of the Constitution. There is no scientific "controversy" regarding evolution, and the only people trying to keep evolution out of schools are doing so for religious reasons, thus violating the religious rights of everyone who wants an actual science education.Do you hate freedom of religion, Tram?

That's really not how debate forums work, Tram. Theo is perfectly able to respond to you as he sees fit, just like anyone else.If you don't want people to argue with you, don't post on an internet debate board! Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Tram Law,This is an open debate forum and not a chat page. Anyone is free to reply as long as they abide by the rules.Remember Rule #1? Follow all moderator requests.Please stop telling people to stop responding to you. If you don't like what they say, just don't reply back. Very simple.Even in the Coffee House forum participants are required to stick to the topic. Instructing others to stop responding is not on topic.Please move the discussion forward and stay on topic.Thanks
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