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RAZD
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Message 286 of 310 (807586)
05-04-2017 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Taq
05-03-2017 11:36 AM


Perhaps you could go to a widely known news organization, pick out 2 or 3 stories from a single day, and show how they are false. Otherwise, I can only conclude that you are blowing smoke.

The problem with main-stream media as I see it involves what is not reported -- and the use of distraction with infotainment rather than things worthy of news. It's distraction from the real stories.

When they report on protests they focus on violent incidents rather than the much larger body of peaceful protesters and their message.

Then there are the stories that just don't make it to national coverage, like the #NoDAPL protests.

But hey let's hear more about Kardashians ...

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Message 287 of 310 (808155)
05-08-2017 3:40 PM
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05-04-2017 7:18 AM


RAZD writes:

When they report on protests they focus on violent incidents rather than the much larger body of peaceful protesters and their message.

Then there are the stories that just don't make it to national coverage, like the #NoDAPL protests.

They also don't report on the hundreds of millions of people who don't commit murder every day. I guess I don't sit around and wonder why that is.


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Message 288 of 310 (808208)
05-09-2017 7:32 AM
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05-08-2017 3:40 PM


They also don't report on the hundreds of millions of people who don't commit murder every day. I guess I don't sit around and wonder why that is.

Yet the Bundy occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters had no end of coverage.

The point being that the news is biased in what it covers. What it chooses to cover and how they choose to cover stories present a false picture that is every much a lie of omission.

Right wing reactionary anti-government protests okay.
Left wing progressive anti-corporation protests not okay.

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Message 289 of 310 (808270)
05-09-2017 1:56 PM
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05-09-2017 7:32 AM


RAZD writes:

Yet the Bundy occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters had no end of coverage.

Are they supposed to cover the hundreds of millions of people who don't overrun government installations?

The point being that the news is biased in what it covers. What it chooses to cover and how they choose to cover stories present a false picture that is every much a lie of omission.

News is limited since they only have so many outlets and so many hours in the day. Limited isn't biased. They can't publish every single event that every person experiences every second of the day.

At the end of the day, they report what they think the public is interested in.

Right wing reactionary anti-government protests okay.
Left wing progressive anti-corporation protests not okay.

They covered the Occupy movement as well. They covered the DAPL protests.


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Message 290 of 310 (808300)
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Message 291 of 310 (809052)
05-15-2017 8:06 PM


Glenn Beck on NPR's "On Being"
Put here for lack of a better place.

Transcript:
https://onbeing.org/...eck-what-you-do-will-be-a-pivot-point

A one hour show, the audio is available via right side link.

A bare link, for anyone interested in reading.

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Message 292 of 310 (809244)
05-17-2017 11:38 AM
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05-09-2017 1:56 PM


News is limited since they only have so many outlets and so many hours in the day. Limited isn't biased. They can't publish every single event that every person experiences every second of the day.

At the end of the day, they report what they think the public is interested in.

Of course limited is biased. It's one of the reasons that true objectivity is not possible.

There are always millions of things happening in the world, and as you say there is not space to print all of them. You need to select some - how you make you selection decides on the bias of your publication.

You claim the criteria is publishing what they think the public want to hear. That may often be the case; but what if Joe Editor thinks the public mainly wants to hear about Muslim immigrants raping European women? Even if every word they print is the unvarnished truth; if they're hunting around for every case they can find of someone being raped by a Muslim immigrant then they are producing a biased picture of the world.

And of course news sources don't only publish what they think people want to hear; they publish what they want people to hear (or, often, what they think their advertisers would like people to hear). There have been two big scandals here brought to light by secret recordings recently.

Scandal number one involved the chief news editor of one of our major commercial TV stations explaining to his reporters that they had to stick to the editorial line if they wanted to keep their jobs; and that the editorial line was that Syrian asylum seekers should be presented as a crisis and a threat to European values and security. His station did, indeed, focus on stories about Muslim refugees out of all proportion to their presence in society (no-one wants to come here - we get a couple of hundred asylum applications a year; most from Ukraine); and on stories that made them look bad.

Then we have another, more recent scandal. The deputy Prime Minister owns one of the largest media organisations in the country. This caused something of a brouhaha when he came to power, but he assured everyone that he was now a silent partner and would not be influencing media coverage in any way. Somebody then secretly recorded him explaining to a newspaper editor which stories about his political rivals to promote and when (this one should come out now - save this one for election etc.)

Now, you can choose to convince yourself that this only happens because we're some backwards, ex-communist backwater, but you'd clearly be wrong. The reason news sources with different ideological slants look different is because they pick their stories and how to present them differently. I fail to see how this would be controversial.


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Message 293 of 310 (809246)
05-17-2017 11:53 AM
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05-17-2017 11:38 AM


caffeine writes:

You claim the criteria is publishing what they think the public want to hear. That may often be the case; but what if Joe Editor thinks the public mainly wants to hear about Muslim immigrants raping European women? Even if every word they print is the unvarnished truth; if they're hunting around for every case they can find of someone being raped by a Muslim immigrant then they are producing a biased picture of the world.

Who assumes that every single news agency is reporting everything that ever happens?

The expectation is that every news agency will produce a limited view of the world. What we also expect is that a news agency will accurately and fairly report on the news they do present. Bias becomes a problem when a news story is purposefully skewed to favor a certain political view.

In a way, we get the press we deserve. News agencies are not subsidized by independent pools of money, but are instead fueled by ad revenue that depends on eyeballs. Profit drives news, so news agencies will typically show news that will get the most eyeballs. At the same time, many journalists (I would say a vast majority) still have some integrity. While they know certain news stories can drive ad revenue, they still report on less popular news on the backs of the profit driven by other news stories.

Our press is a reflection of our culture. It is a formalized version of the town gossip. As long as our culture cherishes the truth then we will expect the truth from our press, and that is what we mean by bias.


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Message 294 of 310 (809248)
05-17-2017 11:57 AM
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05-17-2017 11:38 AM


Now, you can choose to convince yourself that this only happens because we're some backwards, ex-communist backwater, but you'd clearly be wrong. The reason news sources with different ideological slants look different is because they pick their stories and how to present them differently. I fail to see how this would be controversial.

And we also know from the DNC emails that they conspired with news organizations to ignore Bernie and play up Trump (part of their lose lose campaign).

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Message 295 of 310 (809393)
05-18-2017 10:13 AM


And in the mean time, the person responsible for Fox News pattern of lies has died.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/18/media/roger-ailes-dies/


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Message 296 of 310 (809491)
05-18-2017 2:36 PM
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05-17-2017 11:53 AM


Who assumes that every single news agency is reporting everything that ever happens?

Well. no one, of course.

The expectation is that every news agency will produce a limited view of the world. What we also expect is that a news agency will accurately and fairly report on the news they do present. Bias becomes a problem when a news story is purposefully skewed to favor a certain political view.

News stories are routinely skewed to favour a certain political point of view. But this is not the only way bias is a problem. You mentioned earlier that news sources don't report on all the people who aren't murdered. But they also don't report on most of the people who are murdered - how could they? It's an enormous world and there are more murders than anyone could cover.

But this is where your selection comes in. How many of those murders do you cover? And which? It's irrelevant how accurately and fairly you cover the stories. A news source which covers loads of murders and one which covers few present fundamentally different worlds to people; even if they never lie. And this does shape people's views of the world. The murder rate in the UK is at historic lows; but the public perception does not match this. It seems naive to deny that this is due to media coverage of murders.

In a way, we get the press we deserve. News agencies are not subsidized by independent pools of money, but are instead fueled by ad revenue that depends on eyeballs. Profit drives news, so news agencies will typically show news that will get the most eyeballs. At the same time, many journalists (I would say a vast majority) still have some integrity. While they know certain news stories can drive ad revenue, they still report on less popular news on the backs of the profit driven by other news stories.

Our press is a reflection of our culture. It is a formalized version of the town gossip. As long as our culture cherishes the truth then we will expect the truth from our press, and that is what we mean by bias.

As revenue depends on more than eyeballs. It depends on which sort of eyeballs, for one - eyeballs connected to empty wallets are of less value to advertisers. And it depends on the advertisers being willing to have their image associated with your message (though I think the different way advertising is displayed on the internet has changed this and weakened the power advertisers have to control publications).


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Message 297 of 310 (809561)
05-19-2017 1:05 AM
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05-18-2017 10:13 AM


Roger Ailes obit at "Rolling Stone"
Roger Ailes Was One of the Worst Americans Ever By Matt Taibbi

quote:
Fox News founder made this the hate-filled, moronic country it is today

Much more at cite.

He had sort of slipped under my radar, in my personal listing of "America's greatest assholes".

Moose


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Message 298 of 310 (809600)
05-19-2017 12:25 PM
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Re: Roger Ailes obit at "Rolling Stone"
quote:
Fox News founder made this the hate-filled, moronic country it is today

He had sort of slipped under my radar, in my personal listing of "America's greatest assholes".

Sometimes even being a multi-millionaire isn't enough to stop an early end to a worthless life. The Universe is a little better today.


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Message 299 of 310 (810122)
05-23-2017 8:50 PM


Fox removes baseless, fake news story.
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Fox News on Tuesday removed from its site an inaccurate story that peddled a conspiracy theory about the murder of Democratic National Committee Staffer Seth Rich. The story had remained online for almost a week after CNN pointed out basic problems with its assertions.

"On May 16, a story was posted on the Fox News website on the investigation into the 2016 murder of DNC Staffer Seth Rich," a statement on the Fox News website said. "The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed."

But for months, right-wing media outlets have floated unproven theories that Rich was the person who provided Wikileaks with thousands of internal DNC emails, and suggested his death was retribution for the supposed leak. No real evidence has been provided to support such claims.


And the sources for this nonsense?

quote:

Last week, both Fox News and a Fox affiliate in Washington, WTTG-TV, published and aired reports, sourced to private investigator Rod Wheeler, that said evidence showed Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks before his death. Wheeler later told CNN he had no such evidence and that he had only heard of some information attributed to him in a FoxNews.com story from a Fox News reporter with whom he spoke.

The FoxNews.com story on the case also cited a "federal source" who said the FBI had conducted a forensic analysis of Rich's computer and discovered thousands of emails with Wikileaks. But a law enforcement official told CNN that the FBI never had possession of Rich's laptop and did not conduct a forensic analysis of its contents.


There was no source. Totally baseless. None of which kept sites like Breitbart and InfoWars from running BS stories on the topic.


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Message 300 of 310 (810186)
05-24-2017 11:59 PM


One has to search long and hard for truth on Russia,Iran,Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc.
The New York Post is remarkably free from any hints of reality UNTIL a brief reader comment (among hundreds that have been full of crap in the past weeks ) offered a flicker of truth.

quote:

... it must be remembered that WikiLeaks uncovered e-mails showing the State Department was aware as early as August 2014 that Saudi Arabia and Qatar were "providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIS and other radical groups in the region. "

That is about all I have seen in the NYP or the Mort Zuckerman NY Daily News.

Endless lies about Iran using "nuclear intimidation" as its favorite typical tactic though. And that totally contrary to reality lie by Bolton is just one of many bold faced lies presented as a basic fact.

Mort Zuckerman owned and edited Newsweek for ages.

Gives us a clue why anti-war candidates have been systematically air brushed from existence in the reporting of CNN, Fox, NBC, etc.

Hint.

Clinton wasn't "unopposed " in the Democratic primary in 1996, and a candidate more than 2 ran in the "Gore/Bradley" 2000 primary. This 3rd candidate came in 2nd place ahead of Bradley in states. Double digits percent in several.

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