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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1 of 21 (618260)
06-02-2011 2:10 PM


What makes one browser better than another?
Why is Internet Explorer the worst browser?
What actual and noticable effects does using an inferior browser have on an average persons day-to-day internet surfing?
I don't think that the browser I use has any noticable effect on my surfing and that Internet Explorer is a sufficient browser for the average persons needs.

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jar
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Message 2 of 21 (618263)
06-02-2011 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by New Cat's Eye
06-02-2011 2:10 PM


What makes one browser better than another is how well it adheres to the published standards and so behaves in a predictable manner.
AbE:
In an ideal world a web page should display, look and feel the same on any computer, regardless of the browser used or specific display involved. Unfortunately, that is not currently the case.
The biggest issue is placement on a page, both horizontal and vertical, and a graceful way to control relative sizes of text, columns, rows, images.
Style sheets hold the promise of being able to do that, but only if all the browsers implement the standards as set out in the Style Standard.
Edited by jar, : add more info

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3 of 21 (618266)
06-02-2011 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
06-02-2011 2:12 PM


And in addition to that, what it supports.
On the other fledgling forum, part of crazynutsx' campaign to plagarize the web is to post a graphic from a creationist site with minimal accompanying text that basically says that the graphic says it all. My Win7 box with IE9 displays those graphics with no problem, whereas my computer at work with cannot; neither IE7 nor FireFox2 will display them.
And I'm sure that Percy can talk all our ears off about the pain of setting the forum software up to support all browsers out there.

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Message 4 of 21 (618268)
06-02-2011 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by New Cat's Eye
06-02-2011 2:10 PM


The first noticeable difference is load times. Every version ever of IE I have ever used takes forever to load initially, let alone how long it takes to render a web page.
Firefox has had issues in the past with memory leaks, I have noticed also that the more add-ons used with FF, the slower it runs.
Opera and chrome are my top two favorites. Chrome for its simplicity, speed and versatility. Opera for its customization, speed and look.
The main gripe with IE is how far behind the curve it always is and how locked down it is as far as ANY customization is concerned. Being an avid linux user, i want to be able to have my own personal browsing experience if I so choose. Oh, and let's not go into the numerous IE security leaks......

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 5 of 21 (618275)
06-02-2011 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by New Cat's Eye
06-02-2011 2:10 PM


Standards, speed, stability, ease of use, features would all seem to be important.
IE still has a bad reputation because Microsoft in the past decided to try to make their own ideas the "industry standard", largely ignoring the official standards, and because there was a period when IE development practically stopped. Versions after IE 6 got progressively better so there's no reason why you have to change if you are happy with it (although if you aren't using the latest version you should really consider upgrading).
That said, I suspect that IE is still back of the pack overall.

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Message 6 of 21 (618282)
06-02-2011 3:18 PM
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06-02-2011 2:55 PM


PaulK writes:
Versions after IE 6 got progressively better so there's no reason why you have to change if you are happy with it (although if you aren't using the latest version you should really consider upgrading).
As I mentioned in a different thread: Internet Explorer (including IE9) does not recognise CSS3.
It is frequently one or two steps behind innovation too.
e.g. Tabs and plug-ins.
The list of annoying little glitches where IE cannot understand the HTML that all the other browsers can understand is quite extensive (but tedious to list). Even the most simple of websites can look dramatically different in IE.
As an example of basic but missing functionality:
Try putting an image in a cell in a table and have that image resize to fit the cell. Easy to do in all browsers - but not Internet Explorer.
Although I agree that IE has improved (there is not much worse than IE6) , there is still a long way to go.

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Message 7 of 21 (618283)
06-02-2011 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Panda
06-02-2011 3:18 PM


What is css3? Im a little confused?

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Message 8 of 21 (618287)
06-02-2011 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by fearandloathing
06-02-2011 3:22 PM


CSS = Cascading Style Sheets
Style sheets control the visual aspects of a web page, things like colors, layout, placement, fonts, backgrounds.
The Style sheets separate layout from content so that all pages will have the same look and feel.
CSS3 is the third major iteration of the standards for style sheets.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 9 of 21 (618288)
06-02-2011 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
06-02-2011 3:30 PM


Thanks, I was looking at the right stuff. I was thinking I needed to be looking for a browser with that name.

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Message 10 of 21 (618294)
06-02-2011 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Panda
06-02-2011 3:18 PM


IE and XP
Also, Microsoft is giving a big middle finger to anyone still running XP. My desktop runs exceptional on XP. If I bought I newer box I would definitely use the newest Windows, but this computer would not perform well with the newest Windows.
MS is forcing users of XP to look for alternatives to IE. Seems to be a very shortsighted way to do business.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 11 of 21 (618295)
06-02-2011 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Theodoric
06-02-2011 3:56 PM


Re: IE and XP
Theodoric writes:
MS is forcing users of XP to look for alternatives to IE. Seems to be a very shortsighted way to do business.
At some point MS is going to stop addressing new security issues on XP, and you'll be forced to either upgrade or suffer the consequences. MS doesn't make any money on browsers anyway.

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Message 12 of 21 (618297)
06-02-2011 4:03 PM
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06-02-2011 4:00 PM


Re: IE and XP
At some point MS is going to stop addressing new security issues on XP, and you'll be forced to either upgrade or suffer the consequences. MS doesn't make any money on browsers anyway.
That iss why this box dual boots into Ubuntu. Though they make no money on the browser there is a financial benefit to people using their browser. If there was no financial benefit they would not have a browser.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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fearandloathing
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Message 13 of 21 (618299)
06-02-2011 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Theodoric
06-02-2011 3:56 PM


Re: IE and XP
Theodoric writes:
Also, Microsoft is giving a big middle finger to anyone still running XP. My desktop runs exceptional on XP. If I bought I newer box I would definitely use the newest Windows, but this computer would not perform well with the newest Windows.
MS is forcing users of XP to look for alternatives to IE. Seems to be a very shortsighted way to do business.
This is the main reason I discovered Linux, a friend of mine had lot of problems with XP so I looked into Ubuntu for him, it runs great on his machine.
My computer is only a year old and I took windows 7 off, I use Puppy Linux and Ubuntu, Puppy is small and I have had great success putting it on a windows 98 machine. I rarely run Ubuntu now. Download Puppy to a disk and run it as a live disk to try it out.

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Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 14 of 21 (618301)
06-02-2011 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by fearandloathing
06-02-2011 4:08 PM


Re: IE and XP
I just recently actually installed Natty. I had been running it on a thumb drive but some settings were not getting saved and Wubi did not incorporate my profile (I was always logged in as Ubuntu) so I had to actually install. It ran fine on the thumb drive, albeit a tad slow.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 15 of 21 (618304)
06-02-2011 4:33 PM
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06-02-2011 4:25 PM


Re: IE and XP
If you haven't tried Lucid puppy, then try it from a flash or cd/dvd. I have played with Fedora, but puppy suits all my current needs, I like it better than Ubuntu, or any other Linux OS, Been thinking of playing with Dam Small Linux, I have the newest Ubuntu, 11.01... I think, I put 10.04 lts on my friends XP machine though, better suited to his machine I felt after trying both.

"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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