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Right, because looking at a calendar is just too much effort for an employer to have to make.

Gosh, that wouldn't be Republicans and Faux Noise, would it??? Enjoy

Bullshit.The "employer mandates" start at firms with 50 full time employees.You don't think a firm of that size has lawyers, accountants and personnel-HR on staff? And most of them already provide insurance to their full-times anyway.They know exactly what the law says, what is going to happen and when.Even smaller employers have the professional folks that make their living by knowing this stuff on retainer. The smallest ones even get tax deductions and credits for providing to their employees, who are for the most part, themselves, family and friends.All the noise about ACA causing employers to cut hours or workers is knee-jerk by corporate bigshots with platinum insurance plans already being forced to provide some crumbs to their lowest-level workers. And the fact that these employer mandates don't kick in until 2015 puts the lie to cutting workers hours today.Not only is this naked greed but the fact that ACA was Democrat and by that moslem liberal nigger makes opposition even more justified regardless of the other fact that ACA is almost a carbon copy of a business-supported Republican plan of some years ago.This whole ObamaCare scare shit is political vindictiveness.The business folks know. They know very well indeed. And you are being screwed by your employer yet again.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Specifically, the Republican Party.

Ok, just got home. I'm in a particularly good mood right now. Anyway... And yet there are plenty of people... like yourself who are going with the "flow" that Obama and Obamacare are killing jobs, laying off construction workers in November, and keeping retail workers as part-time employees. And when did I say I was holier or smarter than anyone? I'll tell you now. The foremen who work under me are way way better at this than I am.It isn't about who's smarter. It's about who's willing to believe the bullshit that anti-Obama people are willing tou spew out. Apparently, you're one of them, since you are too willing to believe all the bullshit that are flying around regarding Obama and Obamacare. Double cringing back at you. It's not some special ability. It's common sense that comes with the profession. Every profession has its own set of common sense things. Like if you're a cop then it is common sense that a drunk driver will always say "couple beer" when asked how much they had to drink. Not so obvious to the rest of us, though.You work in a chemical lab, or something similar. I'm sure there are certain things you've picked up over the years that you now deem as common sense but the rest of us would struggle with.In construction, it's an eternal struggle between the engineers and the contractors. They bullshit. We bullshit back. It's a cat and mouse game.For example, today there was a load concrete that came. Just happens that I was out inspecting. I looked at the time stamp on the ticket and it was about an hour and 15 minutes before. I flatly said no and told them to dump out the concrete and bring a new fresh load. The said come on it's only 15 minutes overdue. I said no. The quality control guy (who works for the concrete company) did a test and said it was still good. I said no. So, in the end they had to dump it out.Remember that when something fails it's the engineers that get the blunt, not the contractors. They lose money every time they had to remake something, so they try to bullshit their way through.Anyway, the point is there's a lot more bullshit flying around than people think. This "Obama is the source of all evil" is definitely bullshit. No, you first brought it up as your anecdote that Obamacare is really bad and will cost people hours. We pointed out to you that this is factually inaccurate because the mandate won't kick in until 2015. You then tried to backtrack and said they're actually considering cutting people's hours. We then pointed out to you that the mandate only affect companies with 50 employees or more. This meant small businesses that are run by moms and pops don't get affected.Looking forward to seeing more backtracking from you. Even if it goes into effect in 2014 it would still be boogie-manning. Companies with 50 employees or more should be more prepared to deal with changes in the law than cutting people's hours.

So what party is the crack smoking alcohol abusing mayor of Toronto form ?

I kind of admire the optimism of any elected official who says "yeah, looks like I did crack, but in my defence, I was so shit faced at the time, I didn't know what I was doing. But hey, back to the day job now folks !"

I believe Rob Ford is from the "Conservative" party.

The whole thing's crazy.I live an hour outside Toronto, so I don't get to vote for their mayor.. and I don't go into the city very often so I don't really care what they do either.Personally, I'm of the opinion that all drugs should be made legal. If people want to kill themselves on shit they know is dangerous, I don't have a problem with it. Also, if you think none of the other rich businessmen/politicians in the city aren't doing cocaine... bless you're little heart.I don't think the mayor should be kicked out of office for smoking crack.
I think the mayor should be kicked out of office if he's doing a bad job.
It doesn't matter if the crack is making him do a bad job, or if he's just stupid... if he's doing a bad job, then kick him out.
If he's doing a good job, then keep him in.
I haven't heard how he's doing on his job. Every report just seems to stop at "he smoked crack." I don't really care.
If you want to put him in jail for breaking the law... then do that. (I don't think they have the evidence for this though? I'm not really sure how it works...)Anyway, my point is to judge someone on their job by their job performance. Anything else is just irrelevant drama when the point of discussion is job performance.

Meh, kinda sorta.I take your point, and everyone should be entitled to a little leeway.But if your salary (I'm guessing a reasonably large one) comes out of every resident's pocket; and you are in a position of leadership and authority; then I think that part of your job spec is to behave fairly well - you're representing these people. Same principle as when Clinton got impeached for inappropriate use of his staff.It's a nuanced question as to what standards are expected of our public officers, but I personally think they should be held to higher account than Joe Businessman, who can do all of the crack he wants as far as I'm concerned. (Unless he owes some responsibility to me of course).

Nixon is the one who had problems with his staff.Clinton had problems with his rod...; )

A perfectly reasonable position.
I just don't agree.
That's why we vote for these kinds of positions, I guess I think that if we vote someone to do certain work... and they do that work... then who gives a rat's ass what they do in their "off" time?Some of us have a priority of wanting those in public office to represent us all the time.
Others have a priority of want those in public office to do what they said they would do while in office.I think there's reasonable defences for both positions.
I just prefer the later. I wouldn't want anyone judging my professional abilities by what I do in my off time either. The OCD-compartments of my mind do not like to mix things that I think should be kept separate. Actually, I agree with Clinton's removal. He did his "fun" while on the clock, at work, with his work-interns. That's not doing the job you were supposed to do.The Toronto stuff, to me, is something different. This is a man making horrible decisions in his personal life.
But, (as far as I'm aware... and I admit I'm not all that aware of Toronto-dealings...) he's done what he said he would do while in office (lower taxes, reduce overhead-waste, get the city's budget in the black, finally get the subway construction started...)In a hypothetical scenario...
If it's a mayor who takes care of the fiscal situation and does the projects he said he would do, but hits up the crack pipe every night.
vs.
A mayor who lets the money slide and get wasted and doesn't care about the projects that need to be done in the city, but doesn't even smoke cigarettes let alone hard drugs.Then I'd vote for the drug-addict every day.
But, like I said... I also think drugs should be legalized so that's probably why I don't care so much. Maybe that's the difference?
I really don't care if someone who owes me some responsibility smokes crack or not.
I don't care if they commit seppuku after they complete their responsibility to me.
I don't care if they break their own legs or get tattoos or like to yodel into a microphone until their ears bleed... as long as it doesn't affect the responsibility that they owe me.
They can mistreat themselves all they like in whatever manner they prefer.
If they owe me a responsibility, all I care about is having that responsibility fulfilled. What they do otherwise is irrelevant to me.I wouldn't condone them mistreating others. But what they do to themselves is their own business, as far as I care.I guess you could say that part of a mayor's responsibility is to "look attractive" to external-onlookers?
But that sort of thing has never been important to me, which I suppose is why that doesn't bother me either.

I don't consider smoking crack to be behaving badly. If he behaved badly while under the influence - e.g. harassing women, etc. - than that bad behaviour should be considered on its own demerits.

But,Clinton at least had a fantastic humidor.

I respectfully disagree with this.I dare you to look me into my virtual eyes and tell me you have never not do your work at one time or other at work.Everyone, and I mean everyone, has a down time at some point during the work day. Earlier today, I was writing a report when the guy in the office next to mine came and started talking. We ended up bullshitting, laughing and making jokes. A couple guys later came by and joined in the fun. For about 30-40 minutes, it felt more like a bar. And my boss was one of the guys that ended up cracking sick jokes in our circle.Why expect the president to be any different than the regular worker? He's just as human as everyone else. If we all do nothing but work work work at work, we wouldn't last too long.