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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2363 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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Jon writes: Let me give you a personal example to illustrate my concerns here. Hardly anyone I know would describe me as being from the town I was actually born inincluding my parents. Pretty funny as I'm in the same situation. My parents traveled to a distance city for a concert and I arrived early. Literally only a birth certificate and a birth announcement in the local paper (automatically place there, not placed by my parents or relatives) connects me to the town of my birth, while there are of course many, many connections to my home town to be found (school records, dental, medical, church, etc.). JB
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
There's a (fairly) Republican primary topic, Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread.
Everyone who has posted to this topic gets one last message. AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Wouldn't Obama have approved the bio that his literary agency was using for him? Not that it means he actually was born in Kenya, but it would mean that he was willing to say that he was. What appears to be more likely given the difficult to manufacture evidence that Obama was actually born in the US (absent a time machine), and the statements from the agent that they did not check the information with Obama? I agree that the statement in the bio is evidence of a Kenyan birth. But is it really stronger than the evidence for US birth? What is most likely the error. Seriously, given that the real constitutional issue almost certainly does not center around the location of Obama's birth anyway, isn't the real point to this question one of whether Obama is not 'one of us'? Isn't that exactly what your question of 'he's willing to say he was [born in Kenya?]' is getting at? Well, just look at him. Now look at his name. We know he isn't one of us. Okay, enough ranting. How about if you establish the pre-requisite point first, and then I consider your misplaced impugning?Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.2
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There's a (fairly) Republican primary topic, ...
This one has become a truly awesome 'What "evidence" means to Faith' thread.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Pretty funny as I'm in the same situation. I was born in a rinky-dink town just outside of Boston, but my permanent residence has been in VA and points south of there for a period of time adding up to about 90% of my life. My claimed home town is Atlanta. If I were to root for either the Patriots or the Boston Celtics I would rightly be considered a no good, lousy, band wagoner. I would never do any such thing. I think birthers could have made things more difficult for Obama by talking about where he spent his formative years rather than focusing on his birth certificate. But birthers are just ignorant xenophobes pretending that their hatred is rational. Go Hawks!! Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2363 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
nwr writes: This one has become a truly awesome 'What "evidence" means to Faith' thread. BINGO!! JB
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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What appears to be more likely given the difficult to manufacture evidence that Obama was actually born in the US (absent a time machine), I don't doubt that he was born in Hawaii.
and the statements from the agent that they did not check the information with Obama? That's what I'm doubting. I don't see how you could be ignorant of the bio that your literary agency is using. If anything, you'd probably have to be supplying them with the information. Perhaps they thought that portraying him as being from Kenya would help with his book sales?
Seriously, given that the real constitutional issue almost certainly does not center around the location of Obama's birth anyway, isn't the real point to this question one of whether Obama is not 'one of us'? Isn't that exactly what your question of 'he's willing to say he was [born in Kenya?]' is getting at? Not at all.
How about if you establish the pre-requisite point first, and then I consider your misplaced impugning? All the rebuttals to the literary agency stuff has been about them admitting their error. I just didn't see anyone considering that Obama would have probably been in on it. Which would mean that he lied about it, that's all. Its not that big of a deal.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3973 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
nwr writes: This one has become a truly awesome 'What "evidence" means to Faith' thread. I can't improve on that. Further I deponeth not."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1395 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Is Obama running in the next Republican primary? Cuz, the title of this thread is about awesome Republican primaries. This is in response to Ted Cruz running for president even though he was born in Canada of a Cuban immigrant and American mother. The parallel to Obama is hilarious, and even birther-in-chief Donald Trump has asked for Cruz's birth certificate ... The US Constitution says (article 2 section 1 paragraph 5):
quote: Next up we have Title 8 Chapter 12 Subchapter III Part I 1401 quote: ie - "natural born" by virtue of being a citizen at birth (do not have to be "naturalized" to become a citizen), here by having at least one parent being a US citizen even if not born in the US. There is also a provision that you can't have allegiance to another country, and that is why Cruz recently revoked his Canadian citizenship. What this means is
It will be most entertaining to watch the birthers that want Cruz but hate Obama twist on this issue. Enjoy_________________ (1) so even if Obama was not a "natural born" citizen by virtue of being born IN the US (which he was), he still qualifies as a "natural born" citizen by virtue of having an American citizen parent (mother), and that makes him more qualified as a "natural born" citizen than Cruz ever will be .... Edited by RAZD, : footnote added Edited by RAZD, : splng Edited by RAZD, : gramaby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Ted Cruz is still out to destroy the US and today's US conservatives are simply fascist idiots.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So your understanding is that even if he was born in Kenya he's qualified for the Presidency. Fine with me. There's more evidence at You Tube that that's where he was born, such as Obama himself saying that's where he's from, and Michelle calling Kenya his "home country," and a phone call from a Bishop McRae to the Obama household in Kenya in which the grandmother says yes she was present at his birth.
Here, I went and found them: Obama saying he's from Kenya.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcd41RO25k ABE: YES OF COURSE IT OCCURRED TO ME IT COULD HAVE BEEN FAKED, AND I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE. BUT I JUST LISTENED TO IT THREE TIMES AND THERE IS NO POINT WHERE THE CONTINUITY OF THE SPEECH IS INTERRUPTED./ABE Michelle Obama mentions Kenya is Barack's "home country:"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLGItF-Y8Uc Phone call: Grandmother says she was present at his birth (at the very end )https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, :
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Obama saying he's from Kenya. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcd41RO25k Oh, oh you poor sucker. I don't just feel sorry for you for falling for this this one particular time ... but also because I guess I'm going to bring it up in every thread in which you participate from now on. And you didn't think ... it didn't occur to you ... no, I guess it didn't. As this thread is going into summation mode I have started a new thread devoted to Birthism, because why stop now, just when Faith's calling me gullible? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.2
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I'm not sure if I already blew my one post limit with a reply that was not supposed to be allowed. I guess I'll find out when I try to post this.
Recent posts in this thread have been very revealing about evidence for Faith. They give the impression that confirmation bias is the only "standard" used. I see this as explaining a lot about all of the threads in which Faith has participatedFundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity |
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4320 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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I am sorry to see this thread close. I figured it could go on and on.
The last few days Faith gave us all lessons in why discussing anything with her is so frustrating. She is absolutely, positively, always right, no matter what. Her standards of evidence are miraculous. Scanning back through the list of participants I see quite a few that I miss reading these days; Granny Magda, Wounded King, Onifre, anglagard, Rahvin, hooah212002, Nuggin.......miss those guys.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy |
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 242 Joined:
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Thanks nwr, but I already realized how old this thread was. I was just a bit surprised it hadn't been closed - as it has been now - once Faith started in on her birtherism.
I thought the last primary was a clown-car full of blowhards, but 2016 is gearing up to be a regular stretch limo filled with rejects from the last circus that pulled into town. Should be fun!
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