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Chuck77
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Message 286 of 297 (628487)
08-10-2011 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Admin
08-09-2011 9:12 AM


Re: Understanding Joseph
Admin writes:

and it is understandable that you would be left thinking there's a bias against the religious side.

If this is true then you could perform a wonderful service by acting as interpreter. It would be very helpful if you could post a message explaining IamJoseph's position and the evidence supporting it.

No, I underastand YOU perfectly. Not Joe. I understand what YOU are saying, is all I meant. I understand the reason as to why you would think I might think there is a bias.

I do not understand Joe, BUT Im still stuck at as long as Joe thinks it Science( which you suggest he thinks it is) then it's cool for the thread to be here mas long as he thinks it's science, and not you?

Well, apperantly it's not cool that he thinks it's science because he's no longer here, since he is suspended.

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Message 287 of 297 (628512)
08-10-2011 4:00 AM
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08-10-2011 12:37 AM


Re: Understanding Joseph
The difficulty seems to be that IAJ does think that Genesis 'aligns' with science.

The further difficulty is that IAJ is unable to demonstrate that this is the case.

He reiterates his claims but no more.

Then he froths at the mouth.

Edited by Larni, : spellink


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Message 288 of 297 (628532)
08-10-2011 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by Chuck77
08-10-2011 12:37 AM


Re: Understanding Joseph
Chuck77 writes:

I do not understand Joe, BUT Im still stuck at as long as Joe thinks it Science( which you suggest he thinks it is) then it's cool for the thread to be here mas long as he thinks it's science, and not you?

As moderator I take no position on IamJoseph's claim that his position is scientific.

IamJoseph was suspended for one week because he refused or was incapable of moving beyond his claim that his position was scientific. That's all he's done, and he's posted 70 messages in this thread. He was asked, repeatedly, to support his assertion that his claim was scientific by providing evidence for his position. The opening post of this thread is very specific on the matter of evidence:

Butterflytyrant writes:

Please supply the scientific theory of how God created light when he said "let there be light".

Please include the testable elements of the process by which light was created.

include evidence supporting this theory.

I am trying to narrow IamJoseph's focus to a single part of his position: Light was the first thing in the universe. He's being asked to provide evidence, and I, in my position as moderator, am holding him to satisfying the requirement for evidence. If I do not do this then long experience with IamJoseph tells us that this thread could continue until the end of time and IamJoseph would still be repeating his claims while providing no evidence.


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kofh2u
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Message 289 of 297 (686694)
01-02-2013 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Butterflytyrant
06-28-2011 10:52 AM


Re: Scientific theory of Genesis

Please supply the scientific theory of how God created light when he said "let there be light".
Please include the testable elements of the process by which light was created.

include evidence supporting this theory.

This type of request is an oxymoron.

Think if a Creationist asked you the come up with a Theological Theory to explain how Scientific Laws created light.

What is sensible would be to ask Bible experts to state a correspondence between what Science says and what the Bible says in regard to Gen 1:3-5.

Like:

A Cosmic Dark Age DID precede that advent of that Act-of-God when "let there be light" began to flood the cosmos after the darkness following the Big Bang.

Gen. 1:3 And God, (next, after the creation of the Heavens), said, Let there be light (: and there was light, (which had been delayed by 400 million years after the Big Bang by a Cosmic Dark Age throughout all the universe).

Gen. 1:4 And (Father Nature, the Force behind the ever unfolding Reality), God, saw the light, that it was good: and (Father Nature, the Force behind the ever unfolding Reality), God, divided the light from the darkness (as the stars formed).

Gen. 1:5 And (Father Nature, the Force behind the ever unfolding Reality), God, called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

here one can see that the end of the Dark Cosmic Age agrees with what Genesis says, but why this darkness existed and why it ended is in the domain of science to explain.
It is enough for the Bible to show the writers KNEW about it 3362 years before we did.


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Message 290 of 297 (686696)
01-02-2013 9:30 PM
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01-02-2013 9:24 PM


Re: Scientific theory of Genesis
There is no scientific theory of Genesis. You simply keep misrepresenting what Genesis 1 says and adding in material that simply is not there.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 291 of 297 (686701)
01-02-2013 10:18 PM
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01-02-2013 9:30 PM


Re: Scientific theory of Genesis
He also misreperesents the scientific side.

The cosmic dark age, for example, is the name given to the time before the first stars.

Light existed, just not star-light.

Kofh2u either does not know this or assumes no one else knows this. Either way, he gets the science as wrong as he gets Genesis wrong.

Here, as in other cases with kofh2u, it is a matter of inventing meaning from word associations rather than actually researching the subject.

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Message 292 of 297 (689130)
01-28-2013 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Butterflytyrant
06-28-2011 4:36 AM


The Light of the first Day
Jesus Christ is the Light of the first Day. He came forth from the invisible Spirit of God to overcome the darkness or death which contaminated the air (heaven) dust (earth) and water which God created in the beginning. Genesis 1:1-2

Jesus speaks of this first Day just before His crucifixion, in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

Since there was only ONE Day before the world was made, Jesus is revealing that He is the Light of the first Day. This also explains how there could be plants, which grew the 3rd Day, ((Genesis 1:12) BEFORE the Sun, which was made the 4th Day.


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divermike1974
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Message 293 of 297 (690118)
02-09-2013 11:07 AM


mustard seed!
If i can plant a seed that 300 years later would be 100 meters high and contain millions of life forms and become home to the birds that roost in its branches, why cant God of created the whole universe simply by planting a seed that has grown into a cosmic tree and now has life roosting in its branches? Obviously i say this using the parable of the mustard seed as reference.
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Message 294 of 297 (690141)
02-09-2013 1:46 PM
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02-09-2013 11:07 AM


Re: mustard seed!
Hi divermike, and welcome to the fray,

If i can plant a seed that 300 years later would be 100 meters high and contain millions of life forms and become home to the birds that roost in its branches, why cant God of created the whole universe simply by planting a seed that has grown into a cosmic tree and now has life roosting in its branches? Obviously i say this using the parable of the mustard seed as reference.

And why do you think that this means a christian god?

How does this relate to the origin of light?

In your proposed topic you ask how the universe can be larger in light-years than the age ... the answer is because the universe is expanding.

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Message 295 of 297 (690166)
02-09-2013 6:47 PM
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02-09-2013 11:07 AM


Re: mustard seed!
Well a seed for example will be subject to the laws of quantum mechanics and once it has germinated relativity, even plant cells have action potentials that will release photons. So even though it is a universe away from being a universe a tree actually makes a good analogy for a big bang universe. And it certainly has the potential for photon production, slight i know but the universe has more dark places than lit places.

As for Jesus and God, its a personal experience thing, nothing makes more perfect sense to me than for me and the universe to belong to them. By believing in God and Jesus then obviously i know they must know everything there is to know about everything so i can read into it what i want as long as my heart remains faithful then my mind wont poison the truth.
I cant think of a better analogy for the universe than the parable of the mustard seed (in laymen's terms of course). And you cant get any nearer the cosmological truth about our material destiny than "you came from the dust and to the dust you shall return"
May i ask what your beliefs are as regards your existence?


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justatruthseeker
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Message 296 of 297 (698415)
05-06-2013 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Butterflytyrant
06-28-2011 10:52 AM


Re: Scientific theory of Genesis
God is energy, light is the electromagnetic spectrum, energy = E=mc^2. What, don't believe in Relativity? God said "let there be light" and as close as you can get is .01 milliseconds from that creation in your explanation. When you get the rest of the way let me know and everyone will know how god did it.

All science will tell you is that they think it all started from a primordial singularity, yet all their vaulted knowledge and wisdom is layed low, because no matter how hard they try the math breaks down. No explanation for the beginning of it all, but they know for a fact it was not created. What, did I miss something??? Do you not require an unexplainable miracle to start it all???????

So unexplainable that all you can get with math is a beginning something, alone in a universe devoid of all matter. And then Wham (insert miracle here) the universe is born. But how did the primordial singularity exist in the first place, never mind you cant yet explain that singularity banging. So your theory follows the same path, god said let there be light and there was. Man says let there be light and there was.

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Message 297 of 297 (698425)
05-06-2013 9:51 PM
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02-09-2013 1:46 PM


Re: mustard seed!
Thanks for that tip, wasnt aware the code wld accept qs for short.
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