Yes- I have a bit of a problem here. It is clear TO ME AT LEAST, perhaps because I studied a little bit with Will Provine that HE IS refering PM Shepard's claim on any selective limits but that due to special creation refering to Phillip Johnson's "views". Now Phil J. is an IDer unlike me and yet I see reasons that Shepard misunderstood the relation of attribute to continuous data dialectically. It is all very dark indeed. This was the problem of the "older generation" of e/c thinkers.