Who designed the ID designer(s)?

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Oh, ok. Then what does Darwinism address?

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Oh ok! ?????How is it with such a massive misunderstanding of what the term means or any of the underlying concepts, that you can leap to:

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I submit that to be a Darwinist leads to Nihilism.

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I submit that Darwinists are not concerned with meaning, but with destroying meaning.

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I submit that ID serves to suggest meaning, which is why Darwinists are so against it.
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Don't you see the problem with this? How can you submit ANYTHING, when you have just shown that you don't understand the terms you are using at the most basic level? I submit that you get a grasp of the basics before you make anymore assumptionsThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 16-May-2005 12:43 PM

No....no... nice try at a sidestep...very nimble.It's not a matter of right/wrong - it's now become a matter of you showing that you have the basic knowledge required to actually get into the ring. What's the point of having a drawn-out debate now that it is clear (or appears to be) that you don't actually understand the basics?I think we need to establish (in your own words) a few things.Let's start with the basics:

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1) what would you say Nihilism is?

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2) Do you understand and accept the concise and to-the-point Explanation given to you by Paulk? if not? what do you argue with?

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Let's make sure you actually understand the terms as seperate entities before we try and link them together!EDIT: PAUL - ARE YOU OK WITH THIS APPROACH? I THINK WE NEED A BETTER IDEA OF LIMBO's UNDERSTANDING OF TERMS AND TERMINOLOGY BEFORE WE GO DOWN A LOT OF DARK ALLEYS!This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 16-May-2005 12:54 PMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 16-May-2005 12:55 PMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 16-May-2005 12:56 PMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 16-May-2005 12:57 PMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 16-May-2005 12:58 PM

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Hi CK, I am certainly not veteran enough to tell you about the forums and stuff, but perhaps the philosophical implications of Darwinism/naturalism/evolution should be reserved for a seperate thread?

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Hey we don't go for that here - you are just as welcome to tell me I'm full of shit as anyone else (and failing that we fight it out by the old monkey or on Picc Gardens).I agree with both you and Paul (and it seems Limbo as he is starting a thread on this topic)

ah so you agree with that chart that if it's the christian god - he must have been a minor or evil god?