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Who designed the ID designer(s)?

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Portillo
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06-06-2011 4:57 AM

God designed time itself, so God is outside of time and has no beginning or end.
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06-06-2011 8:26 AM 		Reply to: Message 287 by Straggler
06-06-2011 5:04 AM

Straggler writes:
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How do you know this?
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This is the reason why God is eternal. Some people say if God created the universe, then who created God.
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06-07-2011 3:30 AM 		Reply to: Message 287 by Straggler
06-06-2011 5:04 AM

Straggler writes:
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How do you know this?
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"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM." This reveals God as the being who is absolutely self-existent, and who in Himself possesses essential life and permanent existence.
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Percy writes:
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Should your statements about God be construed as a belief that the ID designer is God? If so, do you have any evidence supporting this view?
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I believe that God is the designer because I believe that God is the designer, architect, supreme being and source of the universe.
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06-07-2011 7:43 AM 		Reply to: Message 296 by Straggler
06-07-2011 6:14 AM

Re: Faith Or Evidence?
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I suppose with regard to this thread the question is this - Do you consider your belief that the Christian God is the designer to be a faith based position or an evidence based position?
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Its both for me. I dont believe in God because it adds some sort of meaning in my life. I believe because I believe it is the truth. And that involves the real world that we see and also the spirit world that we cant see.
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06-08-2011 2:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 298 by Straggler
06-07-2011 7:54 AM

Re: Faith Or Evidence?
Straggler writes:
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It is not uncommon for those of faith to convince themselves that their faith based conclusions are also evidenced.
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Can you tell us what evidence you use to derive your conclusion that the Christian God is the undesigned designer?
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Are you asking me why I believe that God exists? I dont think its possible to explain in one message why I believe because believing in God isnt something that happens overnight, at least not for me. It is a long spiritual journey. But I do believe it is based on the evidence around me, such as a strong sense of place within a cosmos that radiates the glory of God and displays a divine structure.
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06-08-2011 3:00 AM 		Reply to: Message 299 by Percy
06-07-2011 8:03 AM

Re: Faith Or Evidence?
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Hi Portillo,
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I think you're in the wrong thread. You're even in the wrong section of the website. Faith-based arguments belong in the Religious Forums.
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It works like this. When you have evidence for what you believe, you take it to the Science Forums. When have expressions of faith for what you believe you take them to the Religious Forums.
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--Percy
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Thanks for the message.
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