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Topic: Who designed the ID designer(s)?
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 183 of 396 (616554)
05-23-2011 9:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
08-28-2004 4:38 PM
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Re: A form of faith
The new Intelligent Design had predicted that the Intelligent Designer is God of the Bible. So, by definition of God as infinite, He is not created.
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 185 of 396 (616680)
05-23-2011 11:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 184 by RAZD
05-23-2011 4:38 PM
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Re: A form of faith
No I did not say that it is by faith. I said that the new Intelligent Design had predicted that the Designer is God of the Bible. To prove my case, I think, it would be better to see first my video explaining this and come back for more refutation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqEhW_JPwgk
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 187 of 396 (616689)
05-23-2011 11:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 186 by Theodoric
05-23-2011 11:24 PM
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Re: A form of faith
OK, I'll got get. If you have time, see them in private. Science is fair to all religions. Although I donft want to include the following predictions since they may look like pseudoscience in naturalistic science, but since Ifve discovered the boundary line between natural and intelligent, I believe that many of you will surely ask me, gWho is the intelligent Designer?h Scientifically speaking, I donft really know but if we are going to use the principle of intelligence, we can predict it. 8. In my experiment, we knew that both egg and tissue paper exist and real. So, by analogy, if gexistence of matterh is real, then, the gnon-existence of matterh is also must be real, if the principle of opposites of the intelligence must be followed. That means PI predicts an existing real world without matter. Can we call it spiritual world? 9. PI predicts that the Intelligent Designer is a Person. A person because that Agent knows the important of things by reinforcing the product like human engineers do. And who value life by reinforcing life like immune defense system, sensory systems and thinking minds. In addition that Agent has also a physical form since that Agent created physical universe, and who has also a non-physical form since intelligent predicts the existence of non-physical world. Edited by intellen, : No reason given. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add some blank lines.
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Re: A form of faith
Dr Adequate writes: The intellectual force of your argument is equaled only by its lucidity of expression. No, you don't know what you are saying. If you can see all of my videos in YOUTUBE explaining the new Intelligent Design, then, maybe you will know what I'm saying. But for now, I will call you lazy.
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 200 of 396 (617034)
05-25-2011 4:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 192 by RAZD
05-24-2011 9:01 AM
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Re: Still a form of faith
Thank you for your reply. Yes, I had redefined the word "intelligence" since it is the only way for us in science to explain natural world. And I proved it in my video series in video 3 and video 5 and video 22. No one had ever defined intelligence scientifically. I knew that you will never see them but since I've already put them in Youtube, I think that it is good that you must look at them. They are all boring but if u know the contents, I think u will agree with me. Edited by intellen, : No reason given.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Re: A form of faith
Dr Adequate writes: The intellectual force of your argument is equaled only by its lucidity of expression.
My English grammar maybe not good, but not my discoveries.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 203 of 396 (617044)
05-25-2011 4:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Percy
05-24-2011 8:43 AM
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Re: A form of faith
Percy writes: Hi Intellen, welcome to EvC! It would help a great deal if you would make your arguments from scratch here in messages and just use links to webpages and videos as supporting references. You definitely do not want to leave the key parts of your arguments out of your messages. I at first thought your message made no sense because you began your arguments at item 8 and left out what came before, causing the two items by themselves to read like nonsense. But after viewing your video I see that all you did was copy the text of slide 8 and slide 9 into your message. Some comments about your video:
- It isn't a video, it's a slide presentation.
- It should only be used as a supporting reference.
- Playing a schmaltzy version of Go Tell It on the Mountain in the background is distracting and inconsistent with a science presentation. The Intelligent Design forum is for discussion of ID as a science, not a religion.
- One of the first slides says to first watch Video 6. You should have mentioned you want people to watch two videos, not one.
- You may want to wordsmith the slide where you say, "predicts the most intriguing predictions".
- You never describe the "boundary line between natural and intelligent".
- You never define the "principle of intelligence."
- You might want to wordsmith the slide where you say, "the 'non-existence of matter' is also must be real".
- You might want to wordsmith the slide where you say "the important of things".
About Video 6 which you say should be watched first, it appears to be a collection of unrelated and unsupported assertions that do not make much sense. For example, you say that your experiment with the egg and tissue paper (which is described in neither slide presentation) shows that the one object destroys and the other object supports, and that this means a natural process has no opposing sides, just one side. You need to explain yourself a bit more, because what you say in the slide presentation makes no sense. --Percy 1. Yeah, OK. 2. Actually, that was my manuscript when I submit to NATURE PRECEDINGS. I've just broken them piece by piece so that they could be understood. 3. My discoveries pinpoint Jesus Christ as the Intelligent Designer. So the background music is consistent with that presentation. 4. Thank you for this. My videos are put in a series. So I had to remind those watchers who watch in the middle so that they could understand the new Intelligent Design 5. OK, thank you. 6. I described it in video 3, 5, 22. To make it simple, I'll write it here: intellen = problem/solution + solution + solution naturen = event or let us make it clear intellen = life + defense mechanism + sensory system naturen = life + NO defense mechanism + NO sensory system 7. OK, in context of my discovery, the definition for the principle of intelligence is the principle of how an object or event or phenomenon is being made. 8. OK, thank you. But that is what I've found. Since intelligence follows opposite phenomena, then, I think that is the best explanation to describe natural phenomenon. What is the best phrase? Can you tell me? 9. OK thank you. Yes, my experiment tells me, and in reality too, that intellen follows an opposite sides this is problem/solution.. a symmetry. But we know that a symmetry is an opposites, two sides. My experiment also tells me that intellen (with importance) is an asymmetry. It will look like this: problem/solution+solution+solution+... (more solutions than problem) So, we can easily conclude that naturen is not symmetry nor asymmetry. That means, nature has only one side. This is true. For example, if an earthquake occurs, then, it has no problem nor solution, for nature has no problem, nor solution. We define nature as neutral. Edited by intellen, : No reason given.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Re: Still a form of faith
Straggler writes: So would you say that your belief in Intelligent Design is faith based or evidence based? Or is it a combination of the two? And if so where do you think the faith ends and belief in the validity of the evidence begins? Do they overlap? Would your faith allow you to see evidence any other way?
The new Intelligent Design is an evidence based since we can easily test it and falsify it. I conducted my experiment AFTER I've become a Christian. But I did the findings in scientific way. Faith is more than science since it requires everything from a person. Edited by intellen, : No reason given.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 205 of 396 (617048)
05-25-2011 4:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 195 by RAZD
05-24-2011 8:56 PM
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Re: Still a form of faith
RAZD writes: Hi Catholic Scientist,
Assuming he did have a valid deduction for a god, ... Especially if he has that evidence via the deduction. Point 1: he doesn't. I looked at the video, and it defines what is seen to be intelligent and then concludes that because it is intelligent that it must be due to a designer. There was nothing there about a prediction. Point 2: getting from discovering intelligence in the world to a designer is a big leap of faith, getting from that designer to the god of the bible is another big leap of faith. Point 3: logic is not fact\evidence, and logic alone is not enough to be a scientifically valid conclusion (no matter how much some would like it to be). Especially bad logic. Enjoy. 1. My new discoveries had predictions. There are almost, I think, seven and counting. 2. My discoveries are not big leap of faith since everybody could test and falsify them. No one had ever defined "intelligence" scientifically and set boundary line between natural to intelligent. Even our best scientists today could never do that. 3. Yes, logic is not everything. That is why I had experiment, arguments and definitions. Edited by intellen, : No reason given.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 207 of 396 (617051)
05-25-2011 4:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 206 by jar
05-25-2011 4:46 PM
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Re: Still a form of faith
jar writes: Please place Jesus Christ in the lab so that we can test the designer and the method he uses to influence or direct biological design.
That is impossible since, by definition, He is God, therefore, that is impossible. Unless you can easily manipulate Him. But the good is that our science is telling us that in nature, God really exist. This was proven by naturalistic methodology in science. Why can't u accept it? Because of ur religion or what?
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 209 of 396 (617056)
05-25-2011 5:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 208 by jar
05-25-2011 5:04 PM
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Re: Still a form of faith
jar writes: intellen writes: jar writes: Please place Jesus Christ in the lab so that we can test the designer and the method he uses to influence or direct biological design.
That is impossible since, by definition, He is God, therefore, that is impossible. Unless you can easily manipulate Him. But the good is that our science is telling us that in nature, God really exist. This was proven by naturalistic methodology in science. Why can't u accept it? Because of ur religion or what? Sorry but until you place Jesus on the lab table to test you have nothing but unsupported assertions. Come back when you have some evidence. Thank you for playing. Now u r making a demand that is impossible. You are not making science now. You are already making religion. Then, we cannot agree. I talked science, u talked ur religion.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 212 of 396 (617060)
05-25-2011 5:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 210 by jar
05-25-2011 5:10 PM
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Re: Still a form of faith
jar writes: I talk no religion, you are the one claiming Jesus is the designer. Now put him on the table so we can test your assertion. If u don't talk religion, then, you will talk science. If my discovery is wrong, then, u can easily disprove it. But why r u demanding something that even our best scientists could not even do? For example, you will never believe that galaxy exist since we could not put them in lab. That is ridiculous! You are making religion now. Talk science, not religion. PUT up or shut up!
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Re: Still a form of faith
Catholic Scientist writes: 2. My discoveries are not big leap of faith since everybody could test and falsify them. No one had ever defined "intelligence" scientifically and set boundary line between natural to intelligent. Even our best scientists today could never do that. 3. Yes, logic is not everything. That is why I had experiment, arguments and definitions. What experiment? How can we test it? I watched your video but it didn't make any sense. The experiment about egg and tissue paper and how I detect intelligence.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Message 216 of 396 (617064)
05-25-2011 5:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 214 by jar
05-25-2011 5:22 PM
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Re: Still a form of faith
jar writes: intellen writes: jar writes: I talk no religion, you are the one claiming Jesus is the designer. Now put him on the table so we can test your assertion. If u don't talk religion, then, you will talk science. If my discovery is wrong, then, u can easily disprove it. But why r u demanding something that even our best scientists could not even do? For example, you will never believe that galaxy exist since we could not put them in lab. That is ridiculous! You are making religion now. Talk science, not religion. PUT up or shut up! What a really stupid post kid. I believe galaxies exist BECAUSE we can test for their existence using a variety of approaches, visually, looking at their effect on other objects, measuring the radiation directly. All are examples of direct testing. Now place Jesus out there where we can do similar tests. THAT's called science. You have a double standard. You said that "...visually, looking at their effect on other objects...". It is the same with my discovery. Now, put up or shut up.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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intellen
Member (Idle past 4384 days) Posts: 73 Joined: 05-23-2011
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Re: Still a form of faith
Catholic Scientist writes: The experiment about egg and tissue paper and how I detect intelligence. That's not an expirement....
Then, that is denial. Whats was that if not experiment? No, u will never surely believe. I don't care.
Nothing makes sense in science except in the light of the new Intelligent Design .
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