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Message 1 of 16 (624822)
07-19-2011 12:52 PM


A recent article I found discusses a man in China that has only 44 Chromosomes instead of the normal 46 and that in most other ways the man seems normal and that it might well be possible to pass this genetic trait along.

Should that happen, are we seeing an example of speciation in humans?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 2 of 16 (624824)
07-20-2011 7:08 AM


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Thread copied here from the The 44 Chromosome man thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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Message 3 of 16 (624829)
07-20-2011 7:28 AM
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07-19-2011 12:52 PM


That's very interesting, and a very nicely-written article for us non-biologists. This reminds me of Przewalski's Horse, which has 66 chromosomes instead of the 64 that domestic horses have. And P's horse and domestic horses are at least partially interfertile - I'll bet following the same rules that Starr describes in the article.
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Message 4 of 16 (625021)
07-21-2011 7:34 AM
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I really hope that he has kids and grandkids ..... So that we get a new species of human that cannot interbreed with each other. I want to see creationists say that species what put there to test our faith
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Message 5 of 16 (625215)
07-21-2011 8:50 PM
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Oh come on. What are the chances he'll find a woman with 44 crome?
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Message 6 of 16 (625216)
07-21-2011 8:56 PM
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Actually possible. He is in a small community with lots of close family relationships. First there is a one in three chance of a successful pregnancy when mating with a 46 Chromosome woman and in that case a 50% chance of the child having 44 Chromosomes.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 7 of 16 (625217)
07-21-2011 9:01 PM
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07-21-2011 8:56 PM


Or the kid could end up having 1 non-paired chromosome making him infertile.

Added by edit.

I have a very very strong opinion that people who have the potential to produce kids with defects ought to refrain from reproducing. I've even vowed to myself never to produce a biological child because of this reason.

Edited by Taz, : No reason given.


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Message 8 of 16 (625220)
07-21-2011 9:06 PM
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As I said above.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 9 of 16 (626086)
07-27-2011 1:53 AM


Who knows if having 44 wasn't very common in the past?
It certainly means its irrelevant.
Chromosomes are over rated.
It doesn't make any difference.
genetics is not a trail of heritage but only shows like features equals like atomic scorecard.
Father to son is just a special case.
In fact if the 44 man had only been found in some ancient deposit or cave they probably would of insisted it showed evolution of a previous stage of mankind.
Whew! That was close!
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Message 10 of 16 (626088)
07-27-2011 2:12 AM
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07-27-2011 1:53 AM


Chromosomes are over rated.

Still, I'm planning to hang on to mine just in case I find a use for them.


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Message 11 of 16 (626097)
07-27-2011 5:24 AM
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07-27-2011 1:53 AM


Chromosomes are over rated. It doesn't make any difference.

It would if you had one extra. Don't you know anything?


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Message 12 of 16 (626098)
07-27-2011 5:43 AM
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07-27-2011 1:53 AM


Who knows if having 44 wasn't very common in the past?

Nope verry common was having 48 chromosomes just like our ape cousins have today, then 2 fused together in one of our ancestors and we share that trait so we have 46 chromosomes now the same thing happened to this guy so he has 44 chromosomes.

It certainly means its irrelevant.

Actually its speciation in action if he manages to create a line or a population with 44 chromosomes that cannot breed with us normal humans then technically they become a noter species of human.

Chromosomes are over rated.

Umm you do know what chromosomes are right just in case

A chromosome is an organized structure of DNA and protein found in cells. It is a single piece of coiled DNA containing many genes, regulatory elements and other nucleotide sequences. Chromosomes also contain DNA-bound proteins, which serve to package the DNA and control its functions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome

It doesn't make any difference.

HUH????

genetics is not a trail of heritage but only shows like features equals like atomic scorecard.

So you are saying you cannot have your child tested geneticly to see if it is actually yours and not the postman's ?? The same goes for your grand child your grate grand child your grate grate grandchild .......... homo erectus

Father to son is just a special case.

What about grandfather and grandson??? Grate grandfather and grandson??? .....

In fact if the 44 man had only been found in some ancient deposit or cave they probably would of insisted it showed evolution of a previous stage of mankind.

Well if he had ben dated to be old as in at least a few 10 thousand years then he would have been a cousin of humans (homo sapiens) , not a direct line to us.

Whew! That was close!

You reall'y should get an education

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Message 13 of 16 (626116)
07-27-2011 9:35 AM
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Misrepresent
In fact if the 44 man had only been found in some ancient deposit or cave they probably would of insisted it showed evolution of a previous stage of mankind.
Whew! That was close!

Just wait a bit and you will probably see some creationist claim it is proof of de-evolution, in fact I am really surprised that hasn't been stated here yet. Just think Robert you could be the first to make that claim.


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Message 14 of 16 (667953)
07-14-2012 4:18 AM
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07-27-2011 9:35 AM


Re: Misrepresent
Fearandloathing writes:

Just wait a bit and you will probably see some creationist claim it is proof of de-evolution, in fact I am really surprised that hasn't been stated here yet. Just think Robert you could be the first to make that claim.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit given the complete lack of knowledge about genetics, inhertitance, biology, history, etc. demonstrated by YECs. Professional Paid Liar Russ Miller claimed in one of his seminars that the evo model of progression is disproven because humans have only 46 chromosome while horses have 64 and ferns have 200. Followed of course by his snarky, "I guess that means horses and ferns are smarter than humans..." (Russticle was the target of my longest YouTube series yet, totalled 20 parts to respond to a 90 minute seminar of his).


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Message 15 of 16 (667976)
07-14-2012 6:38 PM
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Re: Misrepresent
Russ Miller claimed in one of his seminars that the evo model of progression is disproven because humans have only 46 chromosome while horses have 64 and ferns have 200.

This is new to me and highly amusing.

From what I understand, fewer chromosomes does not equate to a loss of genetic information, but it sounds good as an argument for some creationist.

quote:
I guess that means horses and ferns are smarter than humans..

I think my ex-wife must of believed the same thing.....she always told me I was dumber than a house plant...

Edited by fearandloathing, : then /than


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