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Author Topic:   The Ultimate Question - Why is there something rather than nothing?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 131 of 366 (625896)
07-26-2011 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
07-20-2011 1:58 AM


* Any attempt to prove a priori that there should be something rather than nothing would necessarily involve proving that a state of affairs in which nothing existed would be self-inconsistent. Which it isn't.
Why not?
That's the route I'd take...

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Message 133 of 366 (625901)
07-26-2011 11:05 AM
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07-26-2011 11:00 AM


Is an inconsistency a "something".....?
Yup, it is here in our world.
If there was nothing, then the fact that an inconsitancy couldn't exist doesn't make that nothing, itself, no longer inconsistant.

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Message 135 of 366 (625904)
07-26-2011 11:42 AM
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07-26-2011 11:20 AM


Inconsistent with what?
Being.

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Message 137 of 366 (625910)
07-26-2011 12:03 PM
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07-26-2011 11:57 AM


Is Being something?
No, its a verb... which requires a subject, which *is* a thing, which "nothing" cannot be.

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Message 139 of 366 (625913)
07-26-2011 12:09 PM
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07-26-2011 12:05 PM


Requiring "nothing" to be a thing that has the capacity for being.

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Message 141 of 366 (625916)
07-26-2011 12:23 PM
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07-26-2011 12:16 PM


Who says "nothing" has to be?
Its implicit in the question, itself.
Why is something being rather than nothing being...
Because nothing can't be.

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Message 143 of 366 (625918)
07-26-2011 12:30 PM
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07-26-2011 12:26 PM


The question insists it.
But oh well, I was asking the OP to support their assertion that it is consistant so I'm not too worried about supporting the position that it isn't.

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Message 146 of 366 (626052)
07-26-2011 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Dr Adequate
07-26-2011 7:02 PM


Well, give it a go. You need to find two sentences that describe such a state of affairs one of which is the negation of the other.
But where are the sentences to be about?
I was more interested in your reason for saying it isn't.
But here you go:
'No-thing' is indicating a lack of a subject. The verb "to be" is indicating the presence of a subject.
Nothing cannot be.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 148 of 366 (626119)
07-27-2011 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Dr Adequate
07-26-2011 11:06 PM


quote:
* Any attempt to prove a priori that there should be something rather than nothing would necessarily involve proving that a state of affairs in which nothing existed would be self-inconsistent. Which it isn't.
I was more interested in your reason for saying it isn't.
Well, the absence of things for there to be mutually inconsistent statements about.
Huh? That didn't make any sense. Can you phrase that differently?
We're talking about "nothing" existing That don't make no sense!
Can there be a complete absence of unicorns in my back yard? By your reasoning, no. "Complete absence", you would tell us, "indicates a lack of a subject", and "be", you say "indicates the presence of a subject" ... so an absence of unicorns cannot be.
Well then, where are the unicorns?
There are not any unicorns being in your backyard. But 'an absense of unicorns' doesn't exist in your backyard. That's nonsensical, imho.

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