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Message 7 of 81 (625766)
07-25-2011 3:44 PM
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07-25-2011 9:35 AM


Re: Let's wait a bit...
We are optimistic, actually quite giddy, that very soon now we will find the beast or find that the thing does not exist at all (at least not in the ranges the Standard Model expects). Either way the impact on our theories in physics will be staggering and that is the thrilling part.
This is the part that many outside of science do not seem to understand. Scientists are sometimes more excited with being wrong than with being right. If the Higgs is not there it is just as exciting as finding the Higgs, perhaps even more exciting.

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Message 9 of 81 (625783)
07-25-2011 5:23 PM
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07-25-2011 4:21 PM


Re: Let's wait a bit...
It is easy to say it is more exciting not to find the Higgs, but the truth of the matter is that it has been so damn long since we found something concrete in particle physics, that everyone is desperate for it even at the expense of the possibility of having to start over on the Higgs sector of the Standard Model.
I can understand that perspective. However, if there is concrete evidence that the Higgs does not exist it does make gravity/mass a wide open field. That hasn't happened in a while either, has it?

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Message 11 of 81 (625797)
07-25-2011 6:10 PM
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07-25-2011 6:02 PM


Re: Let's wait a bit...
Yes, the origin of the non-zero rest masses becomes open again if the Higgs mechanism is not responsible. But it will almost certainly be something similar, if not specifically the Higgs then some equiavlent or condensate (possibly from some new phsyics, which is why it would be exciting); there are too many constraints from the physics we do know for it to be a completely open question.
Good point. Would it be fair to say that mass is the result of a particle and its accompanying field even if it isn't the Higg's particle/field.
Also, finding the Higgs is no barrier to investigating new physics. On the contrary, the Stanard Model with Higgs is still the most bizarre hodge-podge and is a blatent sign that it is merely an effective theory of some deeper physics.
I can completely agree with that. That was the distinct impression that Weinberg (speaking of the electroweak force) made on me when I read "Dreams of a Final Theory".

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Message 33 of 81 (667655)
07-10-2012 10:29 PM
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07-10-2012 10:23 PM


Re: Rumours
What is so great about 5 standard deviations?
From my understanding, at 5 sigma there is only a 0.00001% chance that they have not discovered the Higgs boson.

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