Jazzns' History of Belief

Good on you Jazz. It takes balls to come out like that in an open forum, let alone the internet.I would like to say to the theists posting here: good job for making jazz feel like he/she made a mistake. Good job for trying to keep shoving your religion Jazz's throat even though this person made it abundantly clear they had already went through the whole religion phase.Iano, for example: Implying that Jazz just had "the wrong kind of xtianity". Let me guess, yours is the right one?This is what sickens me about religious people. You're all pompous and every one of you has the "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality. Except you guys throw in the "and you're going to hell cuz you're wrong".

And what "reality" is that, Phat?

In Message 27 you said: which tells me this hell you speak of is only for people who don't face reality. It seems you and I have differing opinions of what reality is since your follow up explanation is a bible verse. Is this based on reality? Reality as in what you and I see with our eyes as opposed to "feelings"? Reality as something that is empirically evidenced? It seems I was right when I said:

Altruism has nothing to do with fitness. Moreover, altrusim has nothing to do with benefitting or not. You could be altruistic and get a reward, however, if you expect a reward, that's not considered altruistic. Also, how does altruism not help the group?

The point you tried to make doesn't follow. If you were in "tribal times", you'd have no access to the "third world". Altruism doesn't mean "here, take everything I have". It is simply a matter of helping others without expecting to be helped in return. If you, as a "tribe", are able to help, then you would do so unquestionably.I was actually listening to a podcast today that mentioned the finding of some altruistic gene, the referenced material can be found
here. (Here is an even better representation, just more technical)
Talk about taking one for the team. If that's not altruism, I don't know what is.

Then there's your problem, right there. "Survival of the fittest" means nothing in terms of evolutionary theory, and you've been told this a million times. It's an oft touted creationist misnomer. You didn't bother to read the links, did you?

Are you sure that is what NS means? As the studies I pointed out show, it absolutely DOES help the species. You've done nothing to convince me other than your sayso otherwise.

Lets say there is no purpose. You ARE here, right now, right? You know as well as you can that you are alive, right? I mean, I don't take you for a solopsist, so I feel safe arguing this. Since we absolutely are here right now, we have this life (the only one we can be 100% certain of): isn't that enough? Do you not see the value in making this one life you know you have as good as you can? Why does there need to be purpose in order for you to live a good life? Think of all the people who never got the chance to live. Think of all the possible lives that end up crusty in a sock in a 14 year old kids basement or on Jenna Haze's chin.The purpose for life is whatever you make of it. This is the one life you can know beyond a shadow of a doubt, the one that doesn't take faith or belief, that you've got: live it like it means something to you.