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Author Topic:   Kent Hovind
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Message 46 of 349 (627049)
07-26-2011 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Chuck77
07-26-2011 5:51 AM


Re: Debating creationists
Chuck77 writes:
Kenneth Miller reminds me a little of Hovand. Yeah, refuting IC with a mouse trap Although he doesn't do that in this particular debate he does struggle to explain "tansitional fossils". He basically says they are "transitional" because well, he says so.
Maybe it's because Kenneth Miller is a biologist and not a paleontologist? I hope you realize that these are different sciences? He wouldn't know much about paleontology. He acknowledges it.
Unlike Dr. Dino, who's got no scientific training at all, but pretends to know everything. Anybody with even a little bit of knowledge on either of these subjects immediately picks Hovind is a fraud and nothing else.
The only scientific debates are done in writing. For a scientist to have an oral debate with a creationist just gives that creationist prominance which he does not deserve at all. They don't do science. Creationists don't know anynthing, but pretend to know what science is. Just to be able to tell untruths. They pretend to do science, for the only reason of deceiving the flock at church. It's not worth even pretending that they are worth debating. They're nobodys. Don't debate them, unless it is on paper where you can show everly falsehood that they tell. That's all they have. Falsehoods.
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Message 52 of 349 (627055)
07-26-2011 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Chuck77
07-26-2011 7:05 AM


Re: Debating creationists
Chuck77 writes:
Oooooh, nice save Pressie, you seem to think your above debating in general but find it's "ok" to debate here among like minded folks. Your a brave dude.
You don’t have to be brave to point out the untruths people tell. Especially if you have evidence that people tell porkies. Anybody can do it.
Chuck77 writes:
Don’t tell me, tell Ken. He's the one making a fool of himself, im simply pointing it out
No, he didn’t make a fool of himself. The people who made fools of themselves were the creationists, who thought that debating a biologist about paleontology would make them look clever. They didn’t realize that they really are the dumb one's even to try and do it. Scientists are not stupid. Creationists are.
Chuck77 writes:
Who? Never heard of Him.
Dr. Dino, the one who is still the hero of every creationist in the world. Don’t pretend not to know about him; your hero has been caught as an "untruthteller" and a thief. The same that happened to your favourite website, CMI. All they can do is to deceive people.
Chuck77 writes:
Are you actually saying you know more? Say Michael Behe for instance? He wrote a great book called "darwins black box" which is one of the best book for ID or Creation ever written. Can you do better?
As I’m neither a creationist nor a biologist, but a geologist , so no I can’t. However, I have seen his porkies, as they were divulged in a court case in the US. As in every biological journal in the world. He is a porkieteller and a fraud. I would never believe a word he says.
Chuck77 writes:
And yet, you debate them day and night, right here, on this very site, day after day, night after night, comment after comment.
No, I just point out the untruths. No debating involved. Why don’t you have an answer for the porkies from your side I pointed out?
Chuck77 writes:
Please do us all a favor and stick by your words. Show some integrity and take your own advise. Practice what you preach
Who would point out your false statements? Do you think that you can keep on telling porkies all the time with nobody calling you on it? Creationists are porkie-tellers, frauds and deceivers. That’s all they are. I’ll point to every porkie they tell.
BTW: I hope you don't consider the evc forum as being a scientific forum?
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Message 329 of 349 (629156)
08-16-2011 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 327 by Dawn Bertot
08-16-2011 2:49 AM


Re: A few points on logic... NOT!
You can just look at the first sentence to realize that Morris completely mislead people. That's all creationists have. Deception and lies.
Henry Morris writes:
"The most devastating and conclusive argument against evolution is the entropy principle. This principle (also known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics) implies that, in the present order of things, evolution in the "vertical" sense (that is, from one degree of order and complexity to a higher degree of order and complexity) is completely impossible.
OMG, they call this an 'argument'? How can a person be so utterly stupid? Every little bit of reality contradicts him.
Even plants can do it. From one little seed whole trees grow. With leafs and stems and roots and bark, etc. Did Morris have an IQ?
Even humans can do it. From one cell we grow eyes, arms, legs, hearts, eyes, etc. Did Morris have an IQ?
Even rocks can do it. From magma a whole collection of organised and complex crystals grow. Did Morris have an IQ?
I'll give the creationists another hint: look at reality, things do grow more comlex all over the world. Every day.
It doesn't contradict the Second Law of Thermodynamics at all, because creationists don't have an idea what the Second Law of Thermodynamics actually states. Straw man versions work on illiterate and ignorant creationists in churches. Not in the real world.
Creation 'scientists' demonstrate just one thing: the only way can mislead people is by telling porkies. They pretend to be 'scientists' by using sciency sounding language. That's it. Scientists are not as stupid as creationists think they are.

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