Message 2 of 26 (628352) 08-09-2011 3:55 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by frako 08-09-2011 3:01 AM

As ever when the Torries get in power there is civil unrest.

Or maybe the Police should stop shooting people and releasing inaccurate statements about people shooting at them with imaginary guns.

Basically a guy was shot and killed in London. The police released a statment that he had a gun and had shot at an SO19 officer.

Later we hear the officer may have been shot with a police bullet and the guy had no gun in the first place.

Then there was peaceful demo in Tottenham. Later that night the riots kicked off.

Then it went viral.

Edited by Larni, : spellik and last sentance.

Message 4 of 26 (628359) 08-09-2011 5:01 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by frako 08-09-2011 3:01 AM

Oh, and some armed criminal got shot, and provided an excuse to start trouble.

Message 6 of 26 (628374) 08-09-2011 7:49 AM

Reply to: Message 4 by Mr Jack 08-09-2011 5:01 AM

That'll be pretty much the conventional analysis, and there's a lot of truth in it.

Nothing new. I lived in South East London in 1981, and remember these riots well. Unemployment had about doubled in the first two years of the Thatcher government. Apart from the main four riot areas, there were little copycat riots in many cities.

Message 7 of 26 (628376) 08-09-2011 8:14 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by frako 08-09-2011 3:01 AM

Stay tuned...

Message 10 of 26 (628392) 08-09-2011 9:42 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by frako 08-09-2011 3:01 AM

at 1st I thought maybe their national soccer team finally didn't suck for once, but I think that is not the case.

It seems that the police suck everywhere even in jolly ol UK.

Message 11 of 26 (628394) 08-09-2011 9:48 AM

Reply to: Message 8 by frako 08-09-2011 8:20 AM

Then it came out that the initial ploice statement was false so I won't be suprised if the story is not confirmed for some years to come.

Message 12 of 26 (628399) 08-09-2011 10:22 AM

Reply to: Message 11 by Larni 08-09-2011 9:48 AM

My missus actually knew the Brazilian (Charles de Menezes) shot in Stockwell a few years ago. He was the boyfriend of one of her friends and part of the South American community that she knows well.

Anyway - With regard to current events - If you target austerity measures at already poor and disenfranchised sections of society then I am not sure what else should be expected. If young men (primarily) full of pride, anger and with few if any educational or career prospects have little to lose and much to gain (in terms of respect and status) for being thugs then expect them to act like thugs. Yeah - It is yobbish. But yobbishnes is a way of being the one giving shit out instead of taking it in certain circumstances.

And our government seems intent on breeding those circumstances.

Message 13 of 26 (628402) 08-09-2011 10:36 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...rk-duggan-handgun-lethal-weapon

This article states that Duggan had a replica handgun that was converted to fire live ammunition. I think this would be incredibly difficult to produce, especially for someone without access to a lathe. It smells real fishy to me, as the anti-gun crowd on this side of the pond uses similar reasoning to attempt to ban toy guns.

It also states that the bullet recovered from a police radio was the same type of ammo fired by the police, which would point to Duggan not firing first somehow?

its all very confusing and hard to determine what is going on over there. Converted guns, was the suspect armed? did he shoot at the police? it is definitely a hot mess. It is slightly amusing that the "gangstas" over there have replica guns.

Thanks for the POV straggler.

It seems as if the police were too heavy handed (as they usually are).

Message 14 of 26 (628416) 08-09-2011 11:56 AM

Reply to: Message 12 by Straggler 08-09-2011 10:22 AM

I used to live in Ponders End and went to the Tottenham campus of MDX uni so I know they place a little bit.

I completly concur with you points about the austerity and it's effects on young people with fire in their belly.

Once again, riots and civil unrest seem to correlate with Torry leadership.

Message 15 of 26 (628417) 08-09-2011 11:58 AM

Reply to: Message 13 by Artemis Entreri 08-09-2011 10:36 AM

This is very common in the UK.

Not being able to by guns but being able to buy replicas and whatever conversion gear you need can be a real money spinner.