why does the Idea of creation stick around?

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Well, personally I am not afraid of evolution.

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Well, you are afraid according to the rest of your post.

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I think most people agree that the meaning to their lives, (having a mind)means something, and that we also 'mean something ' to God.

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Agreed. Lots of scientists and people who accept the ToE (and lots of other scientific theories) think this also.

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But evolution suggests we are merely products of nature,

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"Merely" products of nature?What is more amazing than the idea that nature prodiced all of the life on Earth? That is a fabulously awesome notion to me.

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'survival of fittest' and our actions are futile and our minds are futile and we are all just a product of evolution.

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Um, what does "futility" of minds and actions have to do with Biology and our biological origins?My actions and mind aren't futile.

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Personally I think that evolution is not appealing because it makes us unspecial compared to how special we really are, being a cherished creation.

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I think humans are an incredibly special life form. We are unique.Of course, ALL life forms are special and unique.However, it is interesting to me that you disbelive Evolution because it is unappealing to your ego, and not because of the evidence for or against it. IOW, you reject it on purely emotional grounds.You don't want to believe we are a "mere" organism because you want to feel more important that that. Your belief is mere insecure ego-stroking.

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I dont mind , personally if I am special or not,

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Blatant contradiction of the rest of your post!

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all I know is that I think creation is too incredible to have just came about by chance.

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It wasn't all by chance.Mutations are random.Natural selection is the opposite of random.

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Can you name something more special than everlasting life with God. I am open to suggestions but I havent had a better offer so far.lol.
can you name something that would make me more special?

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How about the fact that you are a completely unique individual?Genetically (unless you are a twin) you are a one of a kind organism.Even if you are a twin, you are still the only one of you that exists, has ever existed, ore will ever exist.That makes you very special.

me ;'I dont mind , personally if I am special or not,'schraff ; Blatant contradiction of the rest of your post!It is a contradiction because you are wrong in saying it's my 'ego' I want to please. My actual point is that I think if you are created you ARE more special, and so that is why I, personally think most people believe. (someone was asking why most people are still creationist,personally I don't know if it is true or not). I said I don't care if I am special or not, which means it does NOT apply to me. In other words Schrafinator, I do not , personally care if I am special or not, but I do think this matters (maybe) to the populas.Nice to hear from you, nevertheless.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 08-30-2003]

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Can you name something more special than everlasting life with God.

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Whatever you want to make of your life, Mike. Simple as that.For instance, at this moment we're having the first nice weather Chicago's had in weeks. I'm headed out to the porch with a drawing pad, a beer, a smoke, and a stack of Bill Sienkiewicz comics... my girlfriend has brought her yoga mat out and is doing stretches, and the cat is doing rocket-powered backflips trying to catch bugs.The moment itself is about as special as any I can picture. That's not to say it would work for you. I'm sure you do love things, and appreciate things, and that there are moments just as special in your life. I just don't see why the absence of God takes away from the specialness of those moments.Mind you, if God wants to show up, I've got a whole case of beer here. He's welcome to pull up a chair and grab a cold one.

'I just don't see why the absence of God takes away from the specialness of those moments.'You forget, he is not absent to me.'The moment itself is about as special as any I can picture. That's not to say it would work for you.'I'm sure it is a happy moment, and I hope you enjoy ir, sincerely, but I doubt it will last forever, which I guess is my point.

Hmm, so I am still confused.Why do you reject the evidence for evolution, then?

I don't, what evidence by the way? lolThe lack of evidence concerns me, but thats a different topic isn't it,and I have opened a few already!

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why does the Idea of creation stick around? (I mean mass religions)When it was proven Disease was not Caused by Demons and Evil Spirits. People excepted it no problem it was Fact. things like this etc.... so why do these Religions stick around? I mean why is it so Horrible to think You evolved? People are more Ignorant it seems then they where Before. The Theory Of Evolution has been around since 1859 and 8 out of 10 People are still creationists? if you ask me this is insane.

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Actually 8/10 people if not more believe in Evolution, not Creation.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

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why does the Idea of creation (or mass religons) stick around?

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I wouldn't call it an Idea. More that of a reality. But that's my opinion.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

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You forget, he is not absent to me.

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Allow me to rephrase.If we work from the hypothetical assumption that there is no God, why would the moment be any less special than if God existed?

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I'm sure it is a happy moment, and I hope you enjoy ir, sincerely, but I doubt it will last forever, which I guess is my point.

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Of course it didn't. As I write this, the moment has passed. The sun has set, my girlfriend has gone for a nap, the cat is making a nuisance of herself, trying to unplug the TV. I finished the comics, and cut myself off from the beer so I wouldn't wind up an early-evening drunk. (A little too late; I'm kind of buzzed as I write this.)So?Objects and events are given value by their scarcity. Why on Earth would I want to live out on that porch forever?There will be plenty more moments where that one came from. Both good and bad.And sure, I'll die one day, and that sucks. So I'd better make the most of it while I'm here, huh?So there's no God. (From my point of view... I know you don't believe this.) Big whoop. All it means is that I have to derive meaning from my life, and not count on someone else to do so.------------------
Ms. Krabappal:Are there any more questions?
Bart:Yes, how would I go about making a half man half monkey creature?
Krabapal:I'm sorry Bart, that would be playing God.
Bart:God schmod! I want my monkey man!

If we're talking about the US then I guess I have a couple reactions to your saying this.First, of course, it's not true. I'm curious why you said this. Do you think you have a reliable source for this information? It contradicts many surveys and polls.Second, it isn't consistent with the most common complaint about the US educational system, that we're behind the rest of the world in providing students with a basic scientific underpinning. And it isn't consistent with the US being one of the less secularized countries of western civilization. One would think that, wherever you found your statistic, that for these reasons you'd at least check it out a little bit.The fact of the matter is that despite America's success in winning Nobel prizes and in producing some of the most competitive high technology companies and universities in the world, this doesn't filter down to most of the population, and so to most Americans science is like a foreign country. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if you take a poll of a random sample of Americans you'll find that most of them, to the extent they think about it at all, question evolution and believe the world is only a few thousand years old.The summary of this ABC News article on Evolutionary Beliefs sums up the situation pretty well: [Added by edit:]After posting this message I found that some stats were posted yesterday and last night in the SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF thread. See Message 63 and Message 64. These stats reinforce what I said above, and I'm really curious where your figure comes from.--Percy[This message has been edited by Percipient, 08-31-2003]

Where are you? Do you not Live near Other People?
I don't know about where you live but. almost Everywhere I go there is a Church. and those things are packed Every Sunday Yeah its a reality. to me its a reality that People in this world are too Ignorant to look into to something. And those People have the nerve to Tell me I am wrong. when they don't know the 1st thing about Evolution. the Next person I hear say this I might actually tell them they are Incredibly Stupid(I usually let it go Because they start with me when they hear I am agnostic/ atheist as if it Evil to be that) "if we evolved from apes how come there are still apes" even if you know nothing about evolution you should be able to figure that one out.

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Yeah its a reality. to me its a reality that People in this world are too Ignorant to look into to something. And those People have the nerve to Tell me I am wrong. when they don't know the 1st thing about Evolution. the Next person I hear say this I might actually tell them they are Incredibly Stupid(I usually let it go Because they start with me when they hear I am agnostic/ atheist as if it Evil to be that) "if we evolved from apes how come there are still apes" even if you know nothing about evolution you should be able to figure that one out.

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I don't think you have the right to call anyone ignorant.------------------
"I AM THE MESSENJAH"holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

Messenjah - you may be confusing two meanings of the word "ignorant." The dictionary meaning isn't used much any more - it "uninstructed or uninformed." The far more common meaning, at least in the US, seems to be "dumbass" - down here in Texas, this connotation is pronounced "ignernt." I think DC was using the former definition. No value judgement is required for it - it's capable of being quantified by a quiz, The vast majority of the American public is, in fact, ignorant of most of biology, just as they are ignorant of quantum mechanics.
In my experience, "ignernt" people are ignorant, and choose deliberately to stay that way.

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