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Theodoric
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Message 6 of 69 (628771)
08-12-2011 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by New Cat's Eye
08-12-2011 2:49 PM


How is medical insurance that is only available to high-ranking state officials anything like socialized medicine, which is available to everyone? Just because its subsidized?
quote:
socialized medicine: medical and hospital services for the members of a class or population administered by an organized group (as a state agency) and paid for from funds obtained usually by assessments, philanthropy, or taxation
socialized medicine. Dictionary.com. Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary. Merriam-Webster, Inc. Socialized_medicine Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com (accessed: August 12, 2011).

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Theodoric
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Message 27 of 69 (628870)
08-13-2011 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by New Cat's Eye
08-13-2011 1:53 PM


Obviously the term "socialized medicine" is defined in more ways than just the CS accepted definition.
quote:
The Veterans Health Administration, the military health care system,[123] and the Indian Health Service are examples of socialized medicine in the stricter sense of government administered care, although for limited populations.[citation needed]
Medicare and Medicaid are forms of publicly-funded health care, which fits the looser definition of socialized medicine.[citation needed] Part B coverage (Medical) requires a monthly premium of $96.40 (and possibly higher) and the first $135 of costs per year also fall to the senior and not the government.
Socialized medicine - Wikipedia
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No one has the nerve to brand this country’s purest systems of socialized medicine the military and veterans hospitals for what they are. In both systems, care is not only paid for by the government but delivered in government facilities by doctors who are government employees. Even so, a parade of Washington’s political dignitaries, including President Bush, has turned to the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., for checkups and treatment, without ideological complaint. Politicians who deplore government-run health care for average Americans are only too happy to use it themselves.
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Theodoric
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Message 30 of 69 (628908)
08-13-2011 9:37 PM
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08-13-2011 7:33 PM


CS writes:
Obviously, I never said that I accept only one defintion.
Do I have to reconstruct the whole argument with you again. It seems I have to do this a lot.
Lets see you started with this.
CS writes:
How is medical insurance that is only available to high-ranking state officials anything like socialized medicine, which is available to everyone? Just because its subsidized?
Message 2
You clearly are stating that this is what you accept as the definition for "socialized medicine". When you were shown that that is not the only definition for the term you responded with this.
Epic fail.
Your's is from the "Medical Dictionary", the second one.
Message 17
Still don't see the epic fail. You were clearly shown there were other definitions, but seemingly refuse to accept them, because your next statement was
The third one is the same from what I just quoted from wiki:
As if this is some sort of exoneration. I never stated that your idea was not a valid definition. All I have stated is that there are other definitions for the term which you seem to have wanted to deny as having any validity.
Not violating forum rules. You made the argument that this is not socialized medicine we are talking about. I am providing evidence that the term has many more meanings than the one that you seem to think is the most important.
What do you want me to add to these posts showing that you are wrong. There are times when someone makes a glaring mistake the only and best thing to do is to post the info that shows the glaring mistake. I am not sure what you and AdminPD expected me to say in the post. You clearly were unwilling to accept that you definition was not the sole definition of the term. More evidence was needed to show you you were wrong.

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Theodoric
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Message 51 of 69 (629058)
08-15-2011 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by New Cat's Eye
08-15-2011 12:10 PM


but I thought it was referring more to the universal aspect rather than just the subsidized aspect.
And you have been shown repeatedly that this is one restrictive definition.
Evidently others did not think that was what was meant. As shown by the OP itself. You are continuing to build a strawman. The op and others are obviously using this definition.
quote:
socialized medicine: medical and hospital services for the members of a class or population administered by an organized group (as a state agency) and paid for from funds obtained usually by assessments, philanthropy, or taxation
not
quote:
A system for providing medical and hospital care for all at a nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and subsidies derived from taxation.
But that's not really what the left is trying to acheive with "socialized medicine", is it? Isn't having the services for everyone the larger goal?
Yes they are, but that would be Universal healthcare, which is a form of socialized medicine. It has been shown to you that we already have forms of socialized medicine in this country.
Veterans health Service, Indian health Service and medicare are existing forms of socialized medicine. They are not universal healthcare.
Are we debating now?
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