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Message 16 of 22 (680549)
11-20-2012 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Omnivorous
11-20-2012 12:00 AM


Re: Arrested again
Like many other weary relatives of schizophrenics, I've found myself thinking, "Why can't they just make him take his meds?"
You should have a say in your brothers medicine with the support of his doctor, independent of the state.

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Message 17 of 22 (680589)
11-20-2012 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by subbie
11-19-2012 11:36 PM


Canada's Mental Health Care = Le Poops
subbie writes:
(I readily acknowledge my lack of information specifically related to the Canadian system so would welcome a correction from someone with more information than me.)
I'm not sure about how it works in relation to the criminal justice system, but mental health care in Canada in general is pretty abismal.
It may be free to go to the hospital to get a cast for a broken arm, but it's certainly not free to see a therapist for serious mental health issues.
The ones who give out mental health drugs (psycologists?) are free to see, but you only get to see them for as long as it takes to pick a drug and write a prescription.
Therapy and work with social workers is strongly recommended by all the doctors, but generally not feasible for anything serious enough to require long-term help.
Therapists/social workers, on average, will charge about $150-200 an hour.
A good health package will cover $500 per year. Obviously, it doesn't go very far.
Even seeing a therapist lightly on a regular basis (one hour session per week), is more costly than the average mortgage.
There are some free seminars available, but they are limited (2-4 weeks long, and that's it..).
If you live in a big city (like Toronto), the doctors can be very accomodating and do what they can. They'll try to let you know when/where the next free-seminars are occurring so you can go. But even just the bouncing around to different professionals can be detrimental to someone trying to recover from serious mental health issues. Or, if you don't live in a big city... you're just boned.

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Message 18 of 22 (680928)
11-21-2012 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dogmafood
08-20-2011 8:58 AM


Re: Good for the goose...
Is there not some element of hypocrisy
I don't think so. If the problem is that the man is off his meds, I don't see any problem having him swear an oath when he is on his meds. The rest of us, theist or atheist don't act the way he does.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 19 of 22 (680991)
11-21-2012 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by NoNukes
11-21-2012 5:16 PM


Re: Good for the goose...
The guy should be prosecuted and held responsible for his actions. The hypocrisy lies in the fact that the court has him swear on a book that glorifies the very behaviour that he is being prosecuted for. How many times does God threaten to smite the unbelievers?
It is just a pet peeve of mine. I mean, why don't we swear on the constitution or the bill of rights or some other laudable text that everyone can get behind?

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Message 20 of 22 (680997)
11-21-2012 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Dogmafood
11-21-2012 9:28 PM


Re: Good for the goose...
I mean, why don't we swear on the constitution or the bill of rights
Well he is Canadian, so...

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 21 of 22 (681003)
11-22-2012 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Theodoric
11-21-2012 11:46 PM


Re: Good for the goose...
Well he is Canadian, so...
...what? Ya lost me there.

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Message 22 of 22 (681066)
11-22-2012 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Dogmafood
11-22-2012 12:31 AM


Re: Good for the goose...
Oops sorry.
I forgot Canada has a Constitution and a Bill of Rights too.
A lot of countries do not have a codified Bill of Rights.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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