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Author Topic:   Attn IDers, what would it take...?
Parasomnium
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Message 6 of 86 (243682)
09-15-2005 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
09-15-2005 3:38 AM


Two questions, two answers.
Nuggin asks:
quote:
What would it take to convince an IDer of ToE?
Phatboy adds:
quote:
What would it take to convince traditional geologists/biologists/archeologists that I.D. is valid science?
You only have to look at the behaviour of both for answers to those questions.
IDers typically don't accept evidence and logical reasoning because they have their "truth" carved in stone. Nothing can convince them. ID is nothing but a ploy for something else, namely to force their religion on others.
Evolutionists have asked over and over for supporting evidence for ID's claims. Also they want ID to make scientific predictions that can be tested. And finally they want ID to show it's falsifiability.
This should be a hint. Evidence, predictions, and falsifiability might convince evolutionists, because that's what convinced them of evolution. In other words, they want ID to finally do what it always claims to do, but never does: produce some actual science.
So, to recap:
What would it take to convince an IDer? Nothing, they can't be convinced.
What would it take to convince an evolutionist? Science.
This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 15-Sep-2005 09:08 AM

We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

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Message 9 of 86 (243685)
09-15-2005 4:16 AM
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09-15-2005 4:09 AM


Remember Dostojewsky
Remember what the Grand Inquisitor said to Jesus when he returned to earth in Spain (in "The Brothers Karamazov", by Dostojewsky): "Why have you returned? We had it all worked out fine, we don't need you here."
That's the kind of thought we're up against, don't underestimate the power of an idea.

We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

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Parasomnium
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Message 12 of 86 (243689)
09-15-2005 4:49 AM
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09-15-2005 4:44 AM


Re: Remember Dostojewsky
arachnophilia writes:
i'm sorry, you lost me.
What I mean to say is that some ideas are so dogmatically locked in place that even genuine divine intervention might be either dismissed as a hoax by staunch believers, or be hushed by those who benefit from the status quo.
This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 15-Sep-2005 10:00 AM

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