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Message 131 of 168 (307062)
04-27-2006 1:13 PM


Forum Guidelines Warning
I didn't want to involve myself as Admin in a thread in which I was participating, but Iano is is claiming naturalism is a religion, and I've just seen the first accusation of trollish behavior, so it's time to step in.
I'm making the following rulings in this thread:
  1. For the purposes of this thread, naturalism is not a religion. Anyone who wants to discuss whether naturalism is a religion may propose a new thread and I will approve it as quickly as I can, but do not discuss it here. This means that all arguments that are based upon the position that naturalism is a religion are also off-limits.
  2. SETI is not the topic of this thread. It is a legitimate related issue, but discussions about whether it is religion are threatening to derail the main topic of discussion. Anyone who wants to discuss whether SETI is a religion may propose a new thread and I will approve it as quickly as I can, but do not discuss it here.
  3. The topic of this thread is whether ID has the necessary scientific qualities to be considered for presentation in a college level course. The topic may be interpreted loosely, this discussion has been pretty free so far, but this is not a license to discuss all and sundry.

--Percy
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Message 138 of 168 (307085)
04-27-2006 2:17 PM
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04-27-2006 1:35 PM


Re: N is for Naturalism
All arguments that are so general that they could be advanced in any thread are automatically ruled out except in threads specifically for discussing that argument. The "naturalism as religion" argument fits in this category because you could take it into virtually any science thread at this site. The same is true of the "ID as religion" argument.

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Message 144 of 168 (307121)
04-27-2006 3:17 PM
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04-27-2006 2:54 PM


Re: Hi Ho Hi Ho to Donegal I go...
iano writes:
You would argue it is, I would argue it isn't. Admin seems to hold that we cannot keep discussing it. Ignore him if you like. I won't.
If I understand RickJB's request, it is for evidence of the designer and of the type of evidence indicative of the handiwork of the designer. I ruled out discussion of "naturalism as religion" and "SETI as a religious effort". RickJB's request does not appear related to these restricted topics. In my judgment, since the topic of this thread is the scientific status of ID, evidence for the ID position would therefore be the most on-topic of all issues.
I encourage you (or anyone) to propose threads on the "naturalism as religion" and "SETI as a religious effort". It isn't that we don't want these topics discussed. We most certainly do. It is just these kinds of controversial topics that make discussion boards interesting.
But EvC Forum isn't just one long thread. At this site the creation/evolution controversy has been divided into forums for each major topic area, and each forum has threads for discussing the many sub-topics. We try to encourage discussion in a thread to focus on that thread's topic.
It was several years ago that Peter Borger first taught us the lesson of how certain topics can derail threads. He entered his GUToB viewpoint into many evolution threads simultaneously, derailing all of them into GUToB discussions. No one has since done this in as wholesale a manner as Peter, but the lesson remains and we no longer allow this kind of topic derailment.

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