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Granny Magda
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Message 35 of 136 (631530)
09-01-2011 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Artemis Entreri
09-01-2011 2:51 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
Hi Artemis,
not sure what can be done
I dunno. Perhaps they could call the police? Instead of covering it up and then protecting and enabling the abuser by moving him on to new parish and a new set of victims. As the Catholic Church has done in the past.
I think that the main point to be understood here is not so much that abuse took place, but that the Church did so little to stop it and in fact made it worse. They should have called in the appropriate authorities, but instead, they chose to cover their own sanctimonious asses.
I am angry about the abuse, but I am fucking livid about the cover up and I think that a lot of Catholics feel the same way. Thousands of sincere Catholics placed that which was most precious to them, their children, into the Church's care and the Church rewarded that trust with utter contempt.
Mutate and Survive

On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Message 55 of 136 (631895)
09-04-2011 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Artemis Entreri
09-02-2011 3:56 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
my problem was the stereotyping of an entire demographic (and the largest Christian church on the planet Earth), based on the actions of a few.
AZPaul3 was merely engaging in legitimate satire. At no point did he say or even imply that all Catholics, or even all Catholic priests are rapists. You are being over-sensitive, especially in light of the fact that you yourself have told some rather close-to-the-knuckle jokes around here before now.
The Catholic church has invited this kind of satire. It has only itself to blame. If you don't like it, blame the church for creating this shit storm.
If I get robbed by a black man and call all blacks robbers then I would be called a racist. But if you make similar remarks about Catholics based on the actions of a few, then THAT is different!?!
I think that Dr A answered this better than I could have in his reply, as well as coining the word "deblackinate". Nice. I want a deblackinator ray gun and I want one now! Not sure who I want to use it on or why, but still...
Suffice to say that if blacks were one monolithic organisation and they behaved as the church has done, they would have no cause for complaint when they became the targets of legitimate satire.
I don’t have a double standard, and I won’t allow you to have one either.
Now I didn't say anything. Please try to remember that AZPaul and I are separate people.
Mutate and Survive

On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Message 58 of 136 (632156)
09-06-2011 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Artemis Entreri
09-05-2011 4:12 PM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
AE writes:
get called out and its ALWAYS just satire or a joke, I did not see anything in the post to suggest satire, joking or sarcasm. This is just a cop-out for being called out. I aint buying it. he is busted, let him come to his own defense.
AZPaul3 writes:
Initial satire, yes.
Oh look, I was right. What a shock. Funny how could see that and you couldn't. Do you not think that there is even a possibility that you over-reacted?
welcome to the department of redundancy department; would it have not been easier just to "like" Dr Adequate's post? Instead of repeating what was already stated.
He made the exact point I would have made. I said that I agreed. I write what I please in my own posts thank you. You really are clutching at straws now.
You "black" analogy was seriously flawed. Live with it.
LOL, but you are taking to his defense.
Yes, because I disagreed with your criticism. Nonetheless, I didn't disparage anyone, although I will if you insist. When you apparently get mixed up about who said what, it makes it look as though you aren't paying attention that's all.
and now you are trying to dodge disparaging a large demographic of the planet.
Oh look, more stuff you made up. I never disparaged anyone and, as matter of fact, the post you originally objected to made it perfectly clear that not all priests were at fault. What you are taking offence at seems to be largely in your own imagination.
Might I suggest that you save your ire for those who deserve it; like child raping priests and their cronies perhaps? Because if you are this pissed off about one little comment on a message board, I'm surprised that you're not angrier about the thousands of rapes and subsequent cover up.
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Granny Magda
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Message 60 of 136 (632209)
09-06-2011 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Artemis Entreri
09-06-2011 10:53 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
So you decided not to address the argument at all this time, even reducing yourself to taking pot-shots at my signature.
not pissed at all. Just like pointing out the double standards and cop-outs here, that is all.
The dazzling hypocrisy of you, of all people, taking offence at what you regard as an off-colour remark, is somewhat obscuring your point.
you just got defensive, because I went for you after you defended someone else.
I got defensive because you implied that I said something that I did not say.
you guys want to get back on topic, now?
Yeah, fair comment.
Mutate and Survive

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Granny Magda
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Message 63 of 136 (632514)
09-08-2011 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Artemis Entreri
09-07-2011 11:00 AM


Re: Does this count? No, not really.
I didn't know it was a sig,
The fact that it appears at the bottom of every one of my eighteen hundred plus messages didn't tip you off? Okay.
I got it out of a comicbook. Just liked the sound of it.
Mine never shows up. all message boards are different, but the placement of a sig under the post with no divider is really odd compared to most message boards I post on.
It's not set to automatically appear. I type it in each time. It just pleases me to do so for some reason.
why bother any time I make a point, then you say "oh i was joking" or some other bullshit cop-out dodge. thanks for this short lesson, I wouldn't waste my time trying to formulate something to say to you anymore.
So again, no attempt on your part to address the actual argument, just more childish whining. You want to be careful you don't act too much like a child AE. You might get buggered by a priest.
Mutate and Survive

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